Jungle Carpets Pythons

[mainbutter]

anyway, i digress, i'm in love with the brown carpets (mcdowelli).

me too

[OhhWatALoser]

ok im not understanding the logic here, combo morphs are a few thousands, albino alone is a crazy amount, high yellow jungles go for,,, well mine was 125$ and my 2 year old girl was 250 shipped, i dont think its a comparision

[Hulihzack]

I had someone trying to drop a trio of basically full grown bloods on me at the show this weekend, they weren't particularly pretty, looked like borneos. I asked what they were and he said half red half black... was like, ohhhhhh... That explained the stupidly low price... I don't see why anyone would make that cross, it was fugly compared to either of its components... but I digress.

For me, quality comes before quantity. You just gotta know when to pass sometimes. Also, I hardly think selectively choosing carpets is "greedy and in it for the money only."

[Caz]

IMHO, if you want to make money with carpets, don't go with morphs... get a trio of real nice jungles from very well known lines. i see more jungles going for astronomical prices with guys sold out by the time labor day rolls around than any morphs. you get two clutches of sweet jungles and you just raked in $11k after a $1k investment.

all too often, morphs are just hoop dreams... or pyramid scams.

anyway, i digress, i'm in love with the brown carpets (mcdowelli).

I wish the UK prices were as boyant for Jungles. I just hatched 13 - the sire being the hi yellow pictured to a very nice yellow female and i'm struggling to get £150 a pair over here!
Export...now there's an idea!

[DavidG]

Not sure if it was brought up in a previous post, didn;t read every one. The guy bought them as babies, are they clutch mates? I see a problem with breeding siblings, some do not.

[Caz]

Not sure if it was brought up in a previous post, didn;t read every one. The guy bought them as babies, are they clutch mates? I see a problem with breeding siblings, some do not.

Bear in mind most of these subspecies live in isolated populations so would naturally breed with siblings/parents. Also bear in mind that Reptilian DNA is a simpler chain than mammalian and keeping a chain pure can actually prevent deforimities etc (see the study on cunninghams skinks as a good example.)
Also couple the above with the very limited bloodlines outside of Oz.

The only time I can foresee future problems is when interbreeding snakes (and other reptiles) with weak/defective/abnormal genes. 'Morphs' for example.

Out of interest what problems do you see?

[mainbutter]

ok im not understanding the logic here, combo morphs are a few thousands, albino alone is a crazy amount, high yellow jungles go for,,, well mine was 125$ and my 2 year old girl was 250 shipped, i dont think its a comparision

http://moreliapython.googlepages.com/

True trophy carpet pythons command a value WELL above $125. Granted some trophies are jags and intergrades, but they aren't combo morphs. I think albino or zebra or any other morph other than jag is completely unnecessary and in fact unwanted (for my preferences at least) for animals of the quality at the above website.

I don't know what a DJJ sib from a clutch laid by Gamma has sold for, but whatever price was paid was not enough.. lol

[OhhWatALoser]

http://moreliapython.googlepages.com/

True trophy carpet pythons command a value WELL above $125. Granted some trophies are jags and intergrades, but they aren't combo morphs. I think albino or zebra or any other morph other than jag is completely unnecessary and in fact unwanted (for my preferences at least) for animals of the quality at the above website.

I don't know what a DJJ sib from a clutch laid by Gamma has sold for, but whatever price was paid was not enough.. lol

http://www.ukpythons.com/en/available-offspring.asp

Zebras - 4500 euros = 6,600 dollars and they don't even tell you how much for het albinos

http://www.sobekserpents.com/content...ategory/17/37/

2600 for a pair of 66% hets

http://www.moreliapythons.com/forums...ad.php?t=25027

granite 6000

the main point i was trying to make is that they all cost the same to raise. it doesn't cost anymore to raise a true trophy carpet, from my carpets, to low end 50 dollar carpets, to the stuff i posted above. it simple math, your going to have alot bigger payout if you go with the morphs, even after taking into account the drop in price after 3 or so years.

I have yet to see any "astronomical priced" non-morphs as stated b4.

and just because you don't want them personally doesn't change the fact that these animals are commanding those prices. I'm not saying their not nice animals, and im hoping my boy will develope to look something close to that. personally i think jag crosses would be amazing with the animals you posted . but if your in it for the money, morphs the way to go, zebra imo being the best being co-dom and chance of hitting a super zebra.

but also if you in it for the money, im sure there other things with better payout vs risk/ time invested.

[DavidG]

I know a very big breeder, he breeds a lot of things and he actually makes more money off 20 to 40 dollar corn snakes/rat/king and milk snakes. It's about quantity, not quality with most people. If someone can buy 20 corns for 15 dollars each and sell them for 25 later they will over one or two jags and make little profit margin. There is a market for nice animals, but the breeder has to know he can unload them. If he keeps them a year he loses more money than intended on feed and cage space.

[Patrickmalloy]

If I had a sweet, trophy adult proven jungle, you wouldnt find her for sale, your not going to see adult nice normals for sale, your looking for stuff thats not advertised. Would you to sell an adult female pied proven breeder?

Yes you can buy 125$ jungles, but you always get what you pay for. nice adult normals are not for sale, there are also certain polygenic traits that are expensive as well and there not true mutations.

Co-dom mutations will never command the same money for the same period of time as any recessive. The carpet python market will go up, Normals will demand more money once there more popular, you have to understand the carpet community is relatively small, and you can only sell the same snakes to the same people before the people have everybodys stock, these mutations are the driving force behind popularity, however the Wild type pure stuff will hold its value and go up as more of these designer crosses are created.