Another JCP Question!

[Aeries]

I'm curious about 'Jungle Jaguar Siblings'. Does this just mean that it came from a clutch that also had jaguars in it? Does breeding these siblings offer a greater chance of getting jaguar offspring, or is it like a het?

Basically I'm wondering why they distinguish them as a jaguar sibiling instead of just simply a JCP.

Are they generally priced similar to normal JCPs, or more expensive?

[mainbutter]

The jaguar morph is GENERALLY considered to be associated coastal carpet pythons. This is not 100% accepted as the purity of the original jag isn't certain.

The morph has since been crossed into jungles (and other subspecies), so any jungle jags are not 100% jungle. Any jungle jag sibs aren't 100% jungles, so one reason to identify them as such is to inform potential buyers that the jungle-looking python is in fact not a pure jungle.

[DavidG]

I think the term JCP is used loosely in general. That is said to both posters above. Carpet pythons have several subspecies and jungles are only one of them.

Jags were the first morph in carpets (that I'm aware of) and found in coastal carpets. Similar morphing like granite in irian jaya/west papuan or zebra in jungles.

Jags are co-dominant. Het means the normal looking animal has the genes to produce the desired trait. (50% het albino, so on. A term everyone has seen) Co-dom is a trait that only comes out when a dominant animal is bred to a normal. Jag sibs inherent some crazy genes and colors but the jag trait is not passed to these. At least, this is my understanding.

Colin should step in to clarify.

[Aeries]

Thanks to the both of you for clarifying. A carpet python is one of the higher animals on my wish list, but with all the cross-breeding and mixing, I want to be certain that I understand what I would be getting!

[mainbutter]

Just an FYI my post didn't really say it, but just because a carpet python isnt a pure subspecies doesn't mean it isn't pretty or a good snake. Jag sibs often get attention because they do seem to have a tendancy to be a little different on occasion.

I absolutely love my coastal carpet python, she's an absolute peach and I couldn't ask for a more enjoyable snake to have, I highly recommend them

[DavidG]

I can not stress enough to buy a quality animal. This means finding a reputable breeder, and with the internet it is quite easy. You want the young animal you buy to hold its great color into adulthood, unfortunately with the stuff going around this doesn't happen as often as people would like. A mutty animal is not a pretty animal to me. You can find animals with great pedigrees and pictures of the parents without a problem. I suggest buying those.

[ShawnC]

Jag sibs cannot ever produce a Jaguar when bred to another normal. They are normal Carpet Pythons that did not pick up the gene for jaguar. Exactly the same a a normal ball python from a Spider Clutch, Pinstripe Clutch, Mojave...etc etc...

Many Jag siblings have looked exceptional over the years. However, when you consider that any given carpet python clutch has huge variability within the visual appearace of the offspring, coupled with the fact that people for the last several years have been pairing jaguars with the absolute best Carpet Pythons they can find..and you get clutches with a higher than normal percentage of just really nice normal siblings. Basically, other than line breeding, there is nothing special about siblings.

That make sense?

S~

[Caz]

Jag sibs cannot ever produce a Jaguar when bred to another normal. They are normal Carpet Pythons that did not pick up the gene for jaguar. Exactly the same a a normal ball python from a Spider Clutch, Pinstripe Clutch, Mojave...etc etc...

Many Jag siblings have looked exceptional over the years. However, when you consider that any given carpet python clutch has huge variability within the visual appearace of the offspring, coupled with the fact that people for the last several years have been pairing jaguars with the absolute best Carpet Pythons they can find..and you get clutches with a higher than normal percentage of just really nice normal siblings. Basically, other than line breeding, there is nothing special about siblings.

That make sense?

S~

While I agree with the above in theory, the Jag gene is still not fully understood. Just this year a (jag) sibling X sibling pairing produced 8 looking normals and one leucistic that died shortly after the egg was slit.

[Colin Vestrand]

While I agree with the above in theory, the Jag gene is still not fully understood. Just this year a (jag) sibling X sibling pairing produced 8 looking normals and one leucistic that died shortly after the egg was slit.

i'd have to disagree, by all accounts, the jag gene IS fully understood. there are several things that could explain an anomaly like that... monosomy is the most plausible in my opinion.

[Caz]

i'd have to disagree, by all accounts, the jag gene IS fully understood. there are several things that could explain an anomaly like that... monosomy is the most plausible in my opinion.

Such is your right. Monosomy might be the case, but seems unlikely given the leucistic outcome of jagxjag breedings coupled with the lethal gene-bearing in mind that this one also died; and that 'monosomy' has not been reported in any non jagxjag or sibxsib breedings.