BAD GUY-Matt Oakley

[2kdime]

For those who were requesting this information here it is. The first three pages are the snake's history report. Beginning 6/30 and ending 9/9/09. The last three are paid receipts. If needed I will post the history report I'll get tonight when I drop the girl off at my vet to be "disposed" of. She was put to sleep last night via the freezer method. My vet and I discussed our options and he had no problem with me doing this. My fiance' actually had to move her to the freezer from the refrigerator because I couldn't handle it. My only other option was to have the vet inject her heart.

Sometimes bad things are going to happen, and mistakes are going to be made. Matt made a mistake, I gave him the chance to make it right. If none of this made sense to him and he did not believe me when I told her she was sick then he should of bought the snake back from me like I had suggested to him. He did not, and he did not offer to refund my money. This snake would of made more money for me than $500 so for him to say I just want the money is an inaccurate statement, and not appreciated at all.

He is correct. The snake was paid for $490 and he did refund me $100 when I called him the week I got her and told him she was blowing bubbles, had mites, and I was taking her to the vet. No questions asked I received $100 immediately. So she cost me $390 + all the above vet receipts ($117.40).

A person can be judged by their character and the way they react to situations. I question Matt's character, I question his business ethics. I am not out to shut anyone down which is why I waited so long to make this information public, and I fair warned him that if we didn't resolve the problem it would be put on the BOI. Which is to hopefully prevent this from happening again.

Through all of this. I have learned a valuable lesson, and what I will need to do for all future purchases/transactions. It was learned the hard way unfortunately.

[Haydenphoto]

Buying the snake back from Trevor has nothing to do with me standing behind the health of the animal and the fact that I won’t doesn’t prove that it isn’t healthy especially after 2 months of him owning it. I have no idea how an animal is kept after it leaves my care. I know for a fact a month ago (after owning the animal for a month) Trevor felt that this animal was well enough to breed next season (as he stated it on the internet). I also know that he fed this animal many times during the last 2 months and at least once a day before he told me he was going to have the animal euthanized (this was almost 2 weeks ago). Yes, one person can come up with one example where they say a sick snake fed until it dies, but this is not the norm at all. They even stated that this animal had an extremely strong feeding response. Just because someone has one animal out of the norm this doesn’t discredit my point.

Usually when herps are in the condition that Trevor has stated this animal was in when he received it, when he posted the thread on her, and now they do not feed and I’m sure you can read in many books where this is stated. If I sent you a snake that was “sick as a dog” and “covered with hundreds of mites” would anyone here keep it?? I know I wouldn’t. Why would you feed it if you really planned on having it euthanized the next day? Why would it feed if it was in a so horrible state that it needed to be euthanized to end it’s suffering? Herps feeding response is directly related to their overall health and wellbeing. We ALL know that “sick as a dog,” “half alive,” “mite infested,” snakes DO NOT FEED as if nothing is wrong. I know that when I asked Trevor what was wrong with the animal AFTER he said he took it to the vet he NEVER stated that it had RI or any type of bacterial infection. If this were true wouldn’t he have told me??? Now all of a sudden when this thread was posted he seems to have all the answers with what’s wrong with the animal?

I know that a month after owning the snake Trevor was happy enough with her to take pics to show everyone on this website and received many congrats on how nice the animal was. He was very active in responding and even jokingly said how the snake appreciated all the complements with smiley faces and everything. No one had anything negative to say about her and neither did Trevor. Someone even asked where you got the snake from but you ignored the question. I got the impression from his own thread on the animal that it was fine and no one looking at it can say otherwise. Now, two months later he emails me stating that she needs to be euthanized and wants a full refund. Something does NOT ADD UP! What would anyone expect me to think? And just from me owning the animal I don’t buy it.

A couple of months ago I sold a snake to Anthony McCain (a very well known breeder). Anthony made it very clear that this snake better be perfect, shipped correctly, correctly sexed, and exactly how I described it in my ad or I was getting it back and paying to have it shipped back. He got the snake and was happy with it. I’m sure that if he had any problems with our transaction on my part he would have lit me up.

I don’t believe for one second that Trevor received the snake how he stated and his post on the animal proves it. If the animal is in a position where it needs to be euthanized it happened in the TWO MONTHS that he’s owned it. Trevor told me that the snake’s condition never improved from the day he got it so I’d assume that the pic in the thread was an accurate depiction of the animal when he received it a month earlier. Everyone that saw her told you she looked great and even perfect from someone who know’s bloods. Would Trevor lead everyone to believe that this animal that he got was so great and accept all these complements if she really wasn’t? I don’t believe Trevor would have even posted the thread in the first place if everything he’s said about the animal was true.

The fact that Trevor lied and said the pic he took of the box was exactly how he received it proves to me that he’s willing to say what he needs to to look like a total victim in the situation even if it isn’t the truth. If I would have posted a pic and stated that I took it right before I shipped and someone pulled the properties of that pic and Trevor proved that I didn’t take that pic when I said I did everyone here would have taken it as if I were lying about everything that I’ve said and not accepted, “Oh, my camera was incorrect then, but it’s correct now” and blasted me for it. When I proved Trevor didn’t take that pic when he stated he did someone else came up with an excuse to explain why the info was incorrect .

Also, I don’t know when or where Trevor really opened the box but Trevor himself stated that he has snakes shipped to his girlfriend’s job and don’t get them until your lunch break and I guess you then take them home and open them. I don’t know of any breeder that guarantees even live arrival if unless you’re there to receive the package and open it immediately. Who knows how long the snake was in the box before you had a lunch break to come get it, take it home and open it?

If it is true that I shipped that snake the snake as the pic showed (the snake freely crawling around with a couple sheets of newspaper in the box) and the temps in cargo planes are sub freezing wouldn’t the snake and all the mites you say she had froze to death in the hours she was submitted to those conditions??

I have no idea how Trevor kept this snake for the 2 months he had it. It wasn’t in the condition where he felt it needed to be euthanized when he received it (or he would have told me this then), a month later when he posted the thread on her (or he would have told me then), and I don’t believe it is now as it still feeding up to a day before her supposedly euthanasia date and if it is it got that was from how it’s been kept after receiving it.

You need to let it go now pay him be gone ! Your rep is pretty bad now between here and BOI your toast !

[2kdime]

I also know that he fed this animal many times during the last 2 months and at least once a day before he told me he was going to have the animal euthanized (this was almost 2 weeks ago).

Incorrect. She was fed once before I started the antibiotics, and the last time that you had mentioned. She was not fed during the time she was taking the meds. A total of 2 times, not many times.

[kitsunex]

Gee Matt, maybe you should take some people's advice. the longer this thread goes, the worse it is for you. You know why Walmart and other such stores do so well? customer service. they will give in to the customer, even if they think that it might be BS. Why? because if one person is making a fuss about something, all the other customers see is an unhappy customer making a fuss. They don't ask why, they don't ask who's at fault, they see an altercation and will assume it's the store's fault and not come back. that is what is happening here. People see a big thread, they see you acting like a jerk, guess what, nobody wants to deal with a jerk.

As it is, i've added your name and business name to the word file on my computer of people that are blacklisted that i won't purchase from. So you've already lost one potential customer, not i think you really care.

[Inca]

As it is, i've added your name and business name to the word file on my computer of people that are blacklisted that i won't purchase from. So you've already lost one potential customer, not i think you really care.

I have done the same.

[burnziesballs8]

this is a very bad case of the a person going and telling mommy that the other kid down the street stole his bike and having everyone get mad at the one kid......
way too much doesn't make sense about this trevor, he wants his money back thats all it is and he's trashing a breeder who admittedly screwed up his packaging, WE ALL KNOW that, but the fact is that trevor still seems is up to some shananigans and i feel bad for matt getting dragged in the mud for this, way to go trevor you did what you wanted!
you tattled on the kid down the street and will prolly get a new shiny bike...
if you really were so heartbroken pay the 50$ to have the snake euthanized properly!

[jglass38]

this is a very bad case of the a person going and telling mommy that the other kid down the street stole his bike and having everyone get mad at the one kid......
way too much doesn't make sense about this trevor, he wants his money back thats all it is and he's trashing a breeder who admittedly screwed up his packaging, WE ALL KNOW that, but the fact is that trevor still seems is up to some shananigans and i feel bad for matt getting dragged in the mud for this, way to go trevor you did what you wanted!
you tattled on the kid down the street and will prolly get a new shiny bike...
if you really were so heartbroken pay the 50$ to have the snake euthanized properly!

Are you kidding here? I would question your reading comprehension if that is what you got out of this. What is your connection to Matt? Be honest now..

[Patrick Long]

This is the same hockey player Burnzie?

I agree with Jaime, he is pulling offly hard for Matt, when obviously all the evidence is stacked against him.

[xdeus]

this is a very bad case of the a person going and telling mommy that the other kid down the street stole his bike and having everyone get mad at the one kid......

you tattled on the kid down the street and will prolly get a new shiny bike...

So you're saying Matt stole Trevor's bike and he should get away with it?

[littleindiangirl]

So you're saying Matt stole Trevor's bike and he should get away with it?

Yea, I'm not following his logic either. In short, he's saying that snitching is bad, even if you've clearly been done wrong by the other.