Spider wobble

[soy.lor.n]

Co-dom? everywhere Ive read about genes, I always see spider classified as dominant.

yeah upon further inspection, I may have misremembered that...

[rabernet]

My friend and I were looking at a baby spider and we were barely able to see the wobble but we haven't seen enough spiders in person to know for sure, I have dealt with plenty of normal adults and pastels and such but am hesitant to add a spider to our personal collection cause of the wobble issue. I am worried about picking one that will grow to be a "train wreck". By the sounds of it you just pick one that has little to no wobble and hope for the best. The one we were looking at was an absolutely stunning female but I prefer to research before I jump into things. Also given that it is from the spider gene any morphs containing spider would also carry the risk of a wobble, or do other morph lessen it as I only see it discussed with plain spiders.

Yes, spider combos also seem to have the wobble as well.

[rabernet]

I might be wrong but in the Super spider tread if you follow the links LGL Posted you get to this tread:

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...t=53588&page=3

And if every singel egg that male produces turns up spider, and it keeps doing so for the next few years to really prove it. Then that would be a Super spider?

That's a very small sampling (10 total eggs) to make any conclusive assumptions about whether Sam is a super spider or not. I don't remember seeing any posts from Teresa having bred Sam this past season. Perhaps she can chime in on whether he was bred in 2008/2009 season or not?

Call me skeptical, but I find it very hard to believe that with all the spiders out there, only one person has a super spider and posted about it (and even then, the 10 eggs are not conclusive evidence - further breeding would need to be done to see if that's all that Sam throws).

[STEW]

If this fault spreads into other morphs that are bred to spiders, why would they continue to breed?

I have investment quality pitbulls and have done more research on proper kennel practices than I care to mention, as I want to start my own one day, and if a fault like this appeared, that would be the last litter thrown out of the dogs that produced it. Plus the puppies would be spayed and neutered and sold strictly as pets in order to keep the bloodlines pure.

Why would you guys knowingly put this wobble gene out there? Im just wondering

[rabernet]

If this fault spreads into other morphs that are bred to spiders, why would they continue to breed?

I have investment quality pitbulls and have done more research on proper kennel practices than I care to mention, as I want to start my own one day, and if a fault like this appeared, that would be the last litter thrown out of the dogs that produced it. Plus the puppies would be spayed and neutered and sold strictly as pets in order to keep the bloodlines pure.

Why would you guys knowingly put this wobble gene out there? Im just wondering

It doesn't spread into other morphs (like a pastel doesn't get it because it's father was a spider and mother was a pastel). If it's a combo that includes the spider gene (like a bumblebee) then it can also have the wobble.

It also depends on your definition of "fault". It's well known that spiders wobble. It's not going to be bred out of them. I'm not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I love spiders, even with their quirkiness. I don't personally see it as a fault. The animal is not unhealthy, it eats, drinks, sheds, defecates and breeds.

Someone could say that the broad head of a pit is a fault, or the fight instinct is a fault of the breed and ask why you would keep putting that out there?

A spider isn't for everyone. If it's not something that you can personally deal with, there are so many other choices out there in mutations! That's what's so wonderful with 60 identified base mutations.

[Freakie_frog]

I can tell you this after having produce a few spider over the last couple of years, and owning spiders and even combos that all of these things have been covered discussed and even tried.

Why do spiders wobble? No clue I find it interesting I can tell you that as long as it eats, drinks, shed, poops, and pees it's healthy.

People have gotten so use to seeing the "normal" Ball python behavior that the wobble put's them off. If you think of it as part of the mutation and not an issue with the mutation then there's no issue.

All I saying is people are perfectly content with skin pigment mutations why is a motor function tweak like the wobble so hard to except.

Its just part of the spider. Like it or leave it..As for me I love spiders and would have racks of them if I could

[Danounet]

I can tell you this after having produce a few spider over the last couple of years, and owning spiders and even combos that all of these things have been covered discussed and even tried.

Why do spiders wobble? No clue I find it interesting I can tell you that as long as it eats, drinks, shed, poops, and pees it's healthy.

People have gotten so use to seeing the "normal" Ball python behavior that the wobble put's them off. If you think of it as part of the mutation and not an issue with the mutation then there's no issue.

All I saying is people are perfectly content with skin pigment mutations why is a motor function tweak like the wobble so hard to except.

Its just part of the spider. Like it or leave it..As for me I love spiders and would have racks of them if I could

I love all spiders and combos, and I think thats where my collections is going!

[Freakie_frog]

I love all spiders and combos, and I think thats where my collections is going!

You wont be sorry...

[STEW]

Someone could say that the broad head of a pit is a fault, or the fight instinct is a fault of the breed and ask why you would keep putting that out there?

You are now speaking on things you do not know..... I will leave it at that.



I was just wondering. Ive personally never seen a spider in person so I dont really know what this wobble even looks like but if I had a snake that was chillen with its head upside down, I would think something is wrong...... Like it had down syndrome or something. I mean they look cool but this is a fault in the genes or they would not do it.... something is not lining up properly for this to happen or all ball pythons would do it....... am i wrong?

[Mike Cavanaugh]

Just my two cents on this subject. Anyone who claims to have a spider with ZERO wobble either doesn't know what to look for, hasn't had the snake long enough, or doesn't pay very close attention to the snake.

Pretty much just like everything else in the world, when something is different then the norm, people automatically assume there is something "wrong" with the snake. In the case of the Spider Ball Python, I think this couldn't be further from the truth.

I have no studies to back this up, it is only based on my personal experience. Spiders have wobbles. They also tend to be some of the strongest eaters, and some of the best breeders. When holding a spider I think there is no doubt that they have a different personality then any other morph I have held... and that is certainly a good thing.