Some Woma's we produced

[asplundii]

I'm just trying to figure out how you can say it is a possible hidden gene carrier when they look so much different from each other.

I agree how can you sell possible het (for lack of a better word) for anything if they look that different.

All I was trying to do is to see if anyone knew what to look for in a hidden gene woma without anything else added to it.

The hidden gene is not what gives the Type I is different look. The look of the Type I is just a result of whatever gene is responsible for the morph. I believe that the "hidden" gene in Kevin's founder animal is similar to/the same as the the "hidden" gene in RDRs animals that gives rise to the "Daddy" type animals. This gene is another allele in the BluEL group and is the weakest allele. When present as one copy there is not phenotype but when paired with another BluEL allele (Lesser, Butter, etc) you get a "Daddy" animal. Additionally, homozygous hidden seems to be a silent phenotype (RDR produced on of these in '07). Because the allele is silent when alone there is no way to tell if an animal carries it unless you breed it to another animal carrying a visual BluEL allele. That is when you get the really tweaked pattern/colour animals.

did this secondary unkown line of nerd woma produce a fatal pearl when the two lines were mated?

The Pearl is the fatal super form of the Type I. No one seems to know if they Type II has a super form or not. Again, it was taken for granted in the early days that the two morphs were the same so no one felt inclined to try crossing the Type II animals after Kevin's discovery of the Pearl. If no one has tried it in a couple years I may try a Type II cross. I would also like to see a Type I x Type II cross to determine if the genes behind these morphs are at all related.

As far as Kevin selling 'possible' hidden gene animals, that might be something that would have happened in the first few years of breeding them I would guess...but I am just guessing.

I woul dbe inclined to agree with you Matt

In the past I have heard people say that they were sold babies as possible hidden gene animals and not one of them could supply any credible evidence supporting this. Usually it boils down to someone wanting to sell a woma and they tell the buyer that Kevin told them it was a possible hidden gene animal. That makes the animal that much more appealing now doesn't it?

I have seen this happening as well. And most of the pics I have seen in such ads are obvious Type II animals to my eye

I just wanted to post some pics of what I thought were some cool looking woma's.

You did do that and they are very cool looking animals.

He actually sent Travis an e-mail earlier today explaining the woma thing and I think that he (Travis) did a great job explaining it

Thanks Matt, I try