Spinnerblast X Pewter

[thb]

You can all use www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/ to calc these combinations.

Its not as cool in results as some programs, but it works

[Deano]

Cheers everyone , much appreciated!

WOW!! Thats quite a small list really

1/32 (3.125%) Normal
1/32 (3.125%) Pinstripe
1/32 (3.125%) Spider
1/32 (3.125%) Cinnamon
1/16 (6.25%) Pastel

1/32 (3.125%) Spinner (Spider Pinstripe)
1/32 (3.125%) Cinnabee (Cinnamon Spider)
1/32 (3.125%) Cinnamon Pinstripe
1/16 (6.25%) Bumblebee (Pastel Spider)
1/16 (6.25%) Lemon Blast (Pastel Pinstripe)
1/16 (6.25%) Pewter (Pastel Cinnamon)
1/32 (3.125%) Super Pastel

1/32 (3.125%) Cinnamon Spinner (Cinnamon Spider Pinstripe)
1/16 (6.25%) Pewter Bee (Pastel Cinnamon Spider)
1/16 (6.25%) Spinner Blast (Pastel Spider Pinstripe)
1/16 (6.25%) Cinnamon Blast (Pastel Pinstripe Cinnamon)
1/32 (3.125%) Sterling (Super Pastel Cinnamon)
1/32 (3.125%) Killerbee (Super Pastel Spider)
1/32 (3.125%) Super Blast (Super Pastel Pinstripe)

1/32 (3.125%) Sterling Bee (Super Pastel Cinnamon Spider)
1/32 (3.125%) Sterling Blast (Super Pastel Cinnamon Pinstripe)
1/32 (3.125%) Super Spinner Blast (Super Pastel Spider Pinstripe)
1/16 (6.25%) Pewter Spinner (Pastel Cinnamon Spider Pinstripe)

1/32 (3.125%) Sterling Spinner (Super Pastel Cinnamon Spider Pinstripe)


There you go. It's sectioned off based on how many genes it has (1-5).

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Plenty of combos to hit but would need alot of luck to produce the 5 gene snake!! If all goes well I'll have 3+ pewter females ready to go which should give me a chance of a clutch or two!

What does everyone think a sterling spinner would turn out like? I think the pewter spinner would be cool, also the sterling blast sounds tasty!!

[Neal]

That site is awesome that calculates for you. Helps me to kinda moreless understand all the traits.

[ColinWeaver]

Actually there are. The problem is that most ball python breeders do not call them that. A het pastel, heterozygous pastel, is het for a homozygous pastel, which is what most ball python breeders call a super pastel. Super is just a name that ball python breeders coined for the homozygous form of co dominant mutations.

What if I told you that using the term "codominant" isn't really correct and we should all be referring to animals that have a "super" form as 'incomplete dominant'?

Incomplete dominance is when two genes combine and present themselves equally (pastel + black pastel makes black pewter for instance). If the genes were codominant the animal would be partially pastel and partially black pastel (think about the way a black and white cow looks, that's codominance).

A pastel (in the common use of the term) doesn't look the way it does because it's a pastel. It looks the way it does because you are seeing a blending together of the 'normal' gene and the pastel gene. That's why it's darker and less impressive than the super (homozygous) form. A "super pastel" as you all know is the double expression of the pastel gene. This is also one of the reasons why an animal like a bumble bee is so yellow compared to a normal pastel. The yellow of the pastel gene is combining (competing) with less color from the normal spider coloration (the golden colors of the spider gene in between the dark spidering). Moreso, look how green a pinstripe is compared to a spider. That's why a lemon blast isn't as impressive as a bumble bee. Yellow + gold = rockin' yellows. Yellow + green = not so much.

It's a little late in the race to try and change the language used in the biz so I roll with it. Ball python breeders know what each other are saying when we use terms like dominant, co-dominant, super and simple recessive.

[muddoc]

What if I told you that using the term "codominant" isn't really correct and we should all be referring to animals that have a "super" form as 'incomplete dominant'?

Incomplete dominance is when two genes combine and present themselves equally (pastel + black pastel makes black pewter for instance). If the genes were codominant the animal would be partially pastel and partially black pastel (think about the way a black and white cow looks, that's codominance).

A pastel (in the common use of the term) doesn't look the way it does because it's a pastel. It looks the way it does because you are seeing a blending together of the 'normal' gene and the pastel gene. That's why it's darker and less impressive than the super (homozygous) form. A "super pastel" as you all know is the double expression of the pastel gene. This is also one of the reasons why an animal like a bumble bee is so yellow compared to a normal pastel. The yellow of the pastel gene is combining (competing) with less color from the normal spider coloration (the golden colors of the spider gene in between the dark spidering). Moreso, look how green a pinstripe is compared to a spider. That's why a lemon blast isn't as impressive as a bumble bee. Yellow + gold = rockin' yellows. Yellow + green = not so much.

It's a little late in the race to try and change the language used in the biz so I roll with it. Ball python breeders know what each other are saying when we use terms like dominant, co-dominant, super and simple recessive.

Thanks for that Colin. I actually thought that there wasn't anyone out there anymore that knew what Incomplete dominance was. Like you, I know what they mean, but snicker when people haven't taken the time to at least read the definition of genetic terminology to understand what they are talking about.

Excellent post.

[jglass38]

Thanks for that Colin. I actually thought that there wasn't anyone out there anymore that knew what Incomplete dominance was. Like you, I know what they mean, but snicker when people haven't taken the time to at least read the definition of genetic terminology to understand what they are talking about.

Excellent post.

I always thought incomplete dominance was what guys tried to do at home with their wives/girlfriends. Just speaking for myself, it's been a total failure!

I'm miserable at genetics so I tend to not even chime in on these threads. Percentages are all greek to me!

[Deano]

Cheers for that Colin, excellant post!

[Kryptonian]

Im sure the others before me have figured it out correctly but I like to cheat
put the combo into my morph calculator, these are the results

percentage

Male = Lemon Blast, Spider
Female = Cinnamon Pewter

Offspring predicted as:

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3.13% Normal
6.25% Pastel
3.13% Pinstripe
6.25% Lemon Blast
3.13% Spider
6.25% Bumblebee
3.13% Spinner
6.25% Lemon Blast, Spider
3.13% Cinnamon
6.25% Cinnamon Pewter
3.13% Cinnamon, Pinstripe
6.25% Cinnamon Pewter, Pinstripe
3.13% Cinnamon, Spider
6.25% Cinnamon Pewter, Spider
3.13% Cinnamon, Pinstripe, Spider
6.25% Cinnamon Pewter, Spinner
3.13% Super Pastel
3.13% Super Blast
3.13% Killerbee
3.13% Spinner Blast
3.13% Sterling Pastel
3.13% Sterling Pastel, Pinstripe
3.13% Sterling Pastel, Spider
3.13% Sterling Pastel, Spinner

ratio

1/32 Normal
2/32 Pastel
1/32 Pinstripe
2/32 Lemon Blast
1/32 Spider
2/32 Bumblebee
1/32 Spinner
2/32 Lemon Blast, Spider
1/32 Cinnamon
2/32 Cinnamon Pewter
1/32 Cinnamon, Pinstripe
2/32 Cinnamon Pewter, Pinstripe
1/32 Cinnamon, Spider
2/32 Cinnamon Pewter, Spider
1/32 Cinnamon, Pinstripe, Spider
2/32 Cinnamon Pewter, Spinner
1/32 Super Pastel
1/32 Super Blast
1/32 Killerbee
1/32 Spinner Blast
1/32 Sterling Pastel
1/32 Sterling Pastel, Pinstripe
1/32 Sterling Pastel, Spider
1/32 Sterling Pastel, Spinner

[Wh00h0069]

What if I told you that using the term "codominant" isn't really correct and we should all be referring to animals that have a "super" form as 'incomplete dominant'?

Then I would agree with you 100%.

[JayCee]

I was just trying to help and put morphs into the calculator I usually use:

http://www.geneticswizard.com/