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[Stewart_Reptiles]

If the bone you have to pick with him is that he was selling animals that had not had their first shed then I think you need to add at least 7 other vendors (that I distinctly remember) to that list.

My bone as you call it would be with your post talking about THAT specific seller.

You are telling people that they are making assumption about some animal not feeding and I am telling you that some of the animals not feeding is not an assumption but a FACT

And again I ask, how can you guarantee that all those animals he was selling had not had their first shed?Did you ask him specifically? Cause if you did not then, yeah, it is speculation. You are speculating that they had not had their first shed and therefore you are speculating that they are not eating.

I did not say all the animals I said several of them did not have their first shed...........again not a speculation on my part, I was there I saw the animals first hand therefore I know that some of the animals did not have their first shed which mean they were not feeding nor possibly could have been guarenteed to be feeding.

For the record I do not need to ask a seller if an animal had his first shed or not I can tell simply by looking at the animal ...........therefore not a speculation but a fact.

Again, I am not defending his prices. But if that is the problem you have with him then just stick to that and quit making things up to add to the "crime".

And I could not care less about his prices what I care about are YOUR statements about people speculating on some of the animals that were not feeding or could not be guarenteed to be feeding.

[Haydenphoto]

When an animal did not even have it's first shed (and there were several of them) this is not an animal that is feeding or that can be guarenteed to be feeding, and I strongly believe that NO ANIMAL should be sold before their first shed and had several meals in them.

The animal not eating is in no way speculation it is a fact see above.

How do you know they have not had there first shed ???

[Stewart_Reptiles]

How do you know they have not had there first shed ???

Because hatchling have a very distinctive look to them before they have their first shed.....they are very shiny, they lose that shine afte their very first shed. (If you want to know what I am talking about let me know I will PM you some pictures for comparison)

[gp_dragsandballs]

Nice pics of the expo.

I can't wait til the Sacramento expo it was alot of fun last year.

About the hatchling thing, they are incredibly shiny before there first shed. Kinda makes you disappointed when they do shed and dull a bit.

[Haydenphoto]

Because hatchling have a very distinctive look to them before they have their first shed.....they are very shiny, they lose that shine afte their very first shed. (If you want to know what I am talking about let me know I will PM you some pictures for comparison)

Well from what i can see in the pic of the 250$ lessers they look a little bigger the brand new baby's i could be wrong but they look a little big in the pic !

[twistedtails]

Well from what i can see in the pic of the 250$ lessers they look a little bigger the brand new baby's i could be wrong but they look a little big in the pic !

For the price and size, like I said, I would have been all over those(picky eaters or not).

[Haydenphoto]

For the price and size, like I said, I would have been all over those(picky eaters or not).

I would of had all of them

[grammie]

I thought it was a great show and tons of critters there!! I came away with 6 new geckos. Does anyone know the vendor at the big table near center front that had so many lizards? I wish I had thought to get name/card, but hubby was way ready to go by then.

[ATLBalls]

yeah it was a neat show with a lot going on.

As for the guy with the $250 lessers I will say his pastels were looking a bit iffy but at least the lessers were pretty well started. I held some of his stuff and they had a bit more chunk to them than the rest.

His stuff was nice but there was this older lady at the front without much of a display who had some kick-butt lessers that were gorgeous. She wanted $550 for them and they were worth every penny.

[asplundii]

Okay, it seems I am just a little too / for the rest of the wolrd to understand me so let me try again

To get anywhere with me you need two things: Credibility and Consistence

So, first we discuss Credibility

My initial post was directed at people who were not there (like people from Ohio or Scotland...) but were talking as if they had been.

Those people were stating things as if they were fact when all it really was was speculation.

Those were the statments I was contending with.

My bone as you call it would be with your post talking about THAT specific seller.

IF you have an issue with me telling people who were not there and therefore lack all the info that maybe they ought to hold off on speculation then I do not know what I can do about that. But maybe you could have come to me via PM rather than making your personal issue with me a public one.

You are telling people that they are making assumption about some animal not feeding and I am telling you that some of the animals not feeding is not an assumption but a FACT

Sorry Deborah but I am correct here. People who were not there making statements about things they do not know are making assumptions.

And granted, some of his animals may have been pre-first shed. However, that does not change the fact that those people who were not there know nothing about the animals that were sold as guaranteed feeders. And neither do you for that matter cause you were not standing there when I heard that comment made. And I never said what animal it was that was sold with that guarantee.

So... Your credibility that the animals sold as guaranteed feeders were not is, I am sorry to say, lacking.

I did not say all the animals I said several of them did not have their first shed...........again not a speculation on my part,

You are correct, I mis-read and thought you were making a more sweeping statement.

I was there

What is your point? I was there too.

I saw the animals first hand therefore I know that some of the animals did not have their first shed which mean they were not feeding nor possibly could have been guarenteed to be feeding.

And again, without knowing what animals were sold as guaranteed feeding (a fact you lack cause you were not there at that moment) then you cannot say they were not feeding.

For the record I do not need to ask a seller if an animal had his first shed or not I can tell simply by looking at the animal ..........

Do you think that I, in my 28 years keeping have no clue what a pre-first shed animal looks like? How do you think I know that 7 other vendors had pre-first shed animals??

therefore not a speculation but a fact.

Not speculation that some of the animals were pre-shed. But speculation that the ones I said were sold as guaranteed feeders were necessarily some of those pre-shed animals.

And I could not care less about his prices what I care about are YOUR statements about people speculating on some of the animals that were not feeding or could not be guarenteed to be feeding.

And as I have, I hope, made a bit more obvious, people, including yourself, were making assumptions about the animals sold as guaranteed feeders. Without you either having been standing there at the same time I was or me telling you exactly which animals it was that I saw sold then you lack the information to say that they were those pre-shed, non-feeding animals.


Now, consistency

When an animal did not even have it's first shed (and there were several of them) this is not an animal that is feeding or that can be guarenteed to be feeding, and I strongly believe that NO ANIMAL should be sold before their first shed and had several meals in them.

Your quote, I added the colour.

Now, I have stated that there were 7 other vendors that I can distinctly recall also having pre-shed animals there. The albinos in the first set of pics are among them. Now, not a single person in this thread, yourself included, has made any comment on how those vendors are questionable. Why is that?

This is why I have an issue with the pre-first shed thing being brought up in relation to this seller. If it is such an issue, and you sure seem to make it out to be, then it ought to be applied to every vendor that does it, regardless of the price of the animal. As it stands, the matter is irrelevant to how low this particular vendor was selling. And yet it is being bandied about by people making baseless speculation.