first babys of the season hatched!!!!!!!!!!

[SatanicIntention]

That'd be a Pastel. Nice babies

[snakemansnakes]

Is it possible that your mojave breeder male is a pastave?

[SUPERBALLS]

Your Fire breeder male is nice indeed. I would suggest you hold back the "Fire" hatchling -- if you try and sell it as a Fire you might run into some marketing problems. Wishing it is a Fire does not make so -- it IS a Pastel -- but what do I know????

Bil i respect your opinion greatly and im planing on keeping it anyway, and if it is a pastel which im open to the idea it definitly looks like one, how could this happen, the mojave is just a plain mojave aswell as the fire, and those are the only ones who breed her i promiss you that!!!

[SUPERBALLS]

does anyone have pastave hatchling pics!!

[Bill Buchman]

I AM coming from a place of "helping" not "hating"! First, I would think that the girl could have retained some sperm if she has been bred before -- are you sure she is a virgin?

Second, the Mojave could be carrying a second gene(Pastel). Mark suggested he could be a Pastave? Some Pastaves can be visually subtle as adults. Either is possible. I would go with the female retention first. Has the Mojave bred any other girls this season? I would keep an eye out for Pastels in his clutches.

Good luck -- having a Pastave male is a nice problem to have.

[SUPERBALLS]

this is a pic of the mojave dad as a baby if this helps!!!!!!!!!


and im telling you this female is a snake i raised from a baby and there has not been a pastel near her

[briz]

wow your telling me what my snake is, sorry bro but i have been doing this for a long time, and if i only breed a fire and a mojave to a first year female then what else would he be, its clearly not a mojave!!!

and heres a pic of the fire dad!!!!!! and when he was born he looked yellow aswell, and hes one of the best looking fires i have seen, straight from Bob Clark and Davies

First I have been in it since 96 with in break in 01-03, so I'm far from new. Secondly, I'm not the only one to say pastel. And I never asked to see pics of your breeder fire or it's history. If I am breeding fires and hatching fires I think I can tell a fire hatchling from a pastel. You want to be offended that is fine, but wasn't meant to offend you, but I'm also not going to sit by while you act like I don't know a pastel from a fire.

[SUPERBALLS]

First I have been in it since 96 with in break in 01-03, so I'm far from new. Secondly, I'm not the only one to say pastel. And I never asked to see pics of your breeder fire or it's history. If I am breeding fires and hatching fires I think I can tell a fire hatchling from a pastel. You want to be offended that is fine, but wasn't meant to offend you, but I'm also not going to sit by while you act like I don't know a pastel from a fire.

never said you didnt know the difference, im saying i bred the snakes and i know the history, and clearly i know what a fire is too, considering mine are very nice fires and have been BEL proven breeders!!! i geuss im just a little stumped on how this happened, and congrats for being in the biz so long you should have quite the collection!!!!

[SUPERBALLS]

does anyone think any of my mojaves could possiblly be pastave!!!

[SUPERBALLS]

heres a current pic of the mojave dad!!!! not the best pic he looks more yellow in person!!