Caramel Pastel Mystery

[Jerhart]

Wow...how exciting!! It will be interesting to see him ones he sheds(or has he yet?)!

[kc261]

Does anyone out there have a Pastel Caramel we can compare the OP's male caramel to?

I found these with a quick google search:
http://www.morphmakers.com/index.php...d=28&Itemid=37
http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1697640,1697640

[jsmorphs2]

Could you post pictures of the "pastel's" mother?

Could the male be a vanilla caramel and the mother a vanilla, that would make the baby a super vanilla? Even though its not quite a super vanilla either. It totally looks like a pastel.

My brain hurts...

[Jsh]

Gotta love BP genetics! This is defiantly a mystery and I'm excited for you! I too would keep the clutch as who knows what you have going on. Congrats!!

[AaronP]

I say we wait till that "pastel" gets some weight on it's bones .

[BChambers]

Well guys/gals-I'm beginning to think that we actually have a case of spontaneous mutation here. I plan on keeping that snake and a couple sibs. Plus I will repeat the same pairing next year. So stay tuned, hopefully this story won't get any more "interesting"

[josh@outbackreps]

I would have to agree, you have a random spontaneous mutation, it is not common, but has happened before.

I had a friend (who is a biological scientist) breed a pr. of normal Argentine boas together and get a caramel albino in the litter of 12 babies. The parents were normal looking, and in future breedings produced a total of 54 babaies with only 1 caramel, so it was determined to be a random spontaneouse mutation that popped up.

On the plus side, you now have a truly new/fresh line of pastel that is unrelated to anything else on the market.

Congrats.

[BChambers]

I would have to agree, you have a random spontaneous mutation, it is not common, but has happened before.

I had a friend (who is a biological scientist) breed a pr. of normal Argentine boas together and get a caramel albino in the litter of 12 babies. The parents were normal looking, and in future breedings produced a total of 54 babaies with only 1 caramel, so it was determined to be a random spontaneouse mutation that popped up.

On the plus side, you now have a truly new/fresh line of pastel that is unrelated to anything else on the market.

Congrats.

I'm a moron-I had not even considered that aspect! That might be the most exciting part of this whole thing. I have one more clutch sired by this male due to hatch in about ten days-if that one has no pastels then that will strongly favor the "spontaneous mutation" hypothesis.

[RandyRemington]

If you get more "pastels" it could also be that your caramel is the spontaneous mutant.

Paternity tests would be so helpful in areas like this. If it does end up seeming like the caramel is also pastel then you could double check that his reported parents are indeed really his parents and if so pretty much nail down exactly where the mutation took place.

[RandyRemington]

I would have to agree, you have a random spontaneous mutation, it is not common, but has happened before.

I had a friend (who is a biological scientist) breed a pr. of normal Argentine boas together and get a caramel albino in the litter of 12 babies. The parents were normal looking, and in future breedings produced a total of 54 babaies with only 1 caramel, so it was determined to be a random spontaneouse mutation that popped up.
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Did that caramel albino baby go on and prove to be genetic? Was it recessive or some type of dominant? I would think most recessive mutations would first produce a het and then the first visual would be later after inbreeding. Maybe one of the Argentine parents was a het and something unexpected happened to get two copies in that one baby.