PAM ripped me off?

[JeffJ]

wow thats right google is the all knowing truth i forgot about that ..

LMAO



like i said do what u like its your choice use what you like its up to you .


its that simple ..

well you said it was widely recommended. i mean so is pam and equate and when i google them i get lots of results, testimonials and advice for it. so you tell me.

im just trying to piece together your claims of this method. also just doing some light reading the active ingredient in the flea and tick powder is not recommended for cats or dogs, puppies or kittens under 6lbs because of health concerts. one would think any animal under 6 pounds could be susceptible to side effects from this treatment. When you apply a poison on an animal to irradiate a parasite there is always a possibility to poison the animal its self. one of the reasons why pam is safe and effective is because you don't apply it to the animal. so you can sing your song all day about how safe it is. until some one takes a sack jams there snake in it empties a jug for flea and tick powder on them and has a dead animal. it can happen. there can be no way you can protest this fact and guarantee it will not. Google isnt all knowing but it has pointed out some risks with the ingredients in the hartz products that you choose to ignore. so why reject reality and substitute it for your own? u know i bet turpentine or varsol will kill mites. and if u bath ur snake in it quickly it shouldn't be toxic. i mean hey we can wash our hands in it after working on an engine or painting right?

[2kdime]

I've only BARELY skimmed through this thread, But I wanted to point something out.

What Shawn or anyone else does with they're animals is they're business. BUT when a controversial technique is used on "mites" for instance, that can be rather decremental for your reputation. It's better to just keep your mouth shut IMHO.

I WILL say that I myself use PAM ONLY.

I also wanted to add that the Hartz powder you use contains an Organophosphate. Im attaching a link to it about just how NASTY that stuff really is. Im glad it works for you and yours though, but I won't be using it.

Best of luck to anyone with a mite or any other health problem, and best of luck to you Shawn.

I post this info with the BEST of intentions to you Shawn and anyone else. I do not wish to start any trouble.

Trevor

http://www.idph.state.il.us/Bioterro...ophosphate.htm

[JeffJ]

This is what it boils down to boys and girls, IF you recommend some one a product that is poisonous to irradicate any form of parasite. make sure thats what its intended use is. otherwise Just because you have been doing it for 10 years does not make it safe. Bottom line.

Ive been smoking for 10 years, have not gotten sick yet. should i recommend you all start? of course not. will i eventually get sick from this? of course. But to base an opinion on a product and MISUSING IT and promising that its 100% safe based on the fact that you haven't had any problems yet is exactly the same thing. you know I can drive with my knee too.... pretty good to boot. does it make it a good practice?..... you know where im going with this people.

there should be no reason to promote the use of a pesticide in any way thats not recommended on the label period because you cannot guarantee the safety of the animal or the owner. If you want to do it fine, if they want to do it then really its there problem. but just because you have had said amount of time period between you and disaster is not a valid argument of the safety of the usage of said product thats not recommended by the manufacturer.

[jglass38]

This is what it boils down to boys and girls, IF you recommend some one a product that is poisonous to irradicate any form of parasite. make sure thats what its intended use is. otherwise Just because you have been doing it for 10 years does not make it safe. Bottom line.

Ive been smoking for 10 years, have not gotten sick yet. should i recommend you all start? of course not. will i eventually get sick from this? of course. But to base an opinion on a product and MISUSING IT and promising that its 100% safe based on the fact that you haven't had any problems yet is exactly the same thing. you know I can drive with my knee too.... pretty good to boot. does it make it a good practice?..... you know where im going with this people.

there should be no reason to promote the use of a pesticide in any way thats not recommended on the label period because you cannot guarantee the safety of the animal or the owner. If you want to do it fine, if they want to do it then really its there problem. but just because you have had said amount of time period between you and disaster is not a valid argument of the safety of the usage of said product thats not recommended by the manufacturer.

Excellent post! In IT we spend a lot of time talking about best practices. We follow best practices because someone smarter than us on the subject told us to. We know that if we follow best practices we are less likely to encounter an issue. We know that if we don't follow best practices, most likely things will work for some time, but often it's a ticking time bomb. I could tell you that I haven't backed up my financial data in 10 years and no problems! Only in this situation, when the time bomb explodes it is the life of an animal at risk. In this case, not even your own, but the novice who you recommended some half assed penny saver solution to.

[JeffJ]

Excellent post! In IT we spend a lot of time talking about best practices. We follow best practices because someone smarter than us on the subject told us to. We know that if we follow best practices we are less likely to encounter an issue. We know that if we don't follow best practices, most likely things will work for some time, but often it's a ticking time bomb. I could tell you that I haven't backed up my financial data in 10 years and no problems! Only in this situation, when the time bomb explodes it is the life of an animal at risk. In this case, not even your own, but the novice who you recommended some half assed penny saver solution to.

a fellow I.T. specialist Im a Network specialist/admin and Technician. not for a huge corp. but im busy 6 days a week 8-10 hours a day. so believe me i share your opinion on best practices. there there for a reason sure other stuff works but for how long and with what repercussions.

[muddoc]

ok i do have google but i'd prefer if you explained to me what it is and does haha. and for the soap bath, can i just use the jerrasimite instead? cause in my case i think it kills the live ones off of him, but then when i return him to his normal enclosure more have already been "made". also i would like some critique on my method with jerrasimite...so here it is

1.i spray jerrasimite on toilet paper so he can rub it on his belly himself, and usually a few mites come off immediatly, then i pray some on my hands so i can get his back, lightly so he's not soaked, just moistened.

2. i put him in his captive tub, which is about the size of what alot of people have for normal enclosures...50 qt. lots of drilled holes on top..with a computer paper bedding because im outta paper towels, i put in his bowl, but this time im putting his bowl in the freezer so im putting in a tupperware temp.

3. i let him spend a few hours in there while i spray his normal enclosure, they i replace him.

this time i've taken some precautions and i have everything from his tank in my deep freezer right now short of the water bowl which im gonna put in in a little while. i even have his bag of aspen and his bag of moss in there. i put it all in wal*mart bags and put in one spray of jerrasimite and then put it in the freezer.

All critics feast..

I will make an attempt at a critique, as I haven't seen it done to this point. While I haven't used Jerrasimite, and never heard of it until this post, I have used Reptile Relief. I am making an assumption here, so someone correct me if I am wrong. I assume that Jerrasimite is similar to Reprtile Relief. If so, the one major difference I see in your application method, is that I spray a liberal amount of RR on my hands and work them together until a lather is formed. I then work the RR onto the snake, relatively harshly, so as to get it under as many scales as possible. I even rub the head, around the eyes and ynder the chin, as that is where mites like to hide. I have never had an issue with the RR getting in the mouth, and remember the label stating that it was safe to do.

All of the rest of your steps sound pretty good. In theory, if you clean out the tank thouroughly (i.e. remove all mites and eggs), and treat with RR or Jerrasimite, and can kill all of the mites on the snake, then your mite problem would be gone. Essentially, what I am saying is be very diligent while cleaning the tank, and spend a fair amount of time (5-10 minutes) lathering the snake, and I think you will have the best chance at eeradicating the pests. I would repeat this process every 2 days for at least 10, in an attempt to insure they are gone, since no other product has proven effective at long term erradication other than PAM (which you can't get).

I hope that helps,

[Simpson Balls]

Just give it baths and hopefully it works. I used Mite Off once and it worked?

Daniel

[2kdime]

I will say that if you decide to use Reptile Relief, use it per the instructions. Tim posted some great info, but I DO think your only supposed to use it once every few days. I think every 2 is more often that what is recommended. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Also, Reptile Relief is kind of like salt water, its drying. What it does is it causes the mites outer skin to burst, it wont do that to your snake though

But if you are using Reptile Relief, I believe it is also recommended to soak the animal after you have used it to wash it off. Maybe right after, maybe a day or two later.

Its been a long time since I read up on that stuff.

[Vypyrz]

I would like to say thanks as well. I haven't had to contend with mites yet, but I'm sure the day will get here and with all the info y'all are posting I think I can at least make an informed decision on how to proceed...

[wilomn]

I remember you now. Didn't you just get your first snake a few years ago? Weren't you the question of the day boy on fauna for a while?

Also, since you've brought them up a couple of times and I'm all about verification, just WHO else is it that uses this method of yours? Truly I have never heard of it until today.

I will of course, take your refusal to provide such as you not really having any.

Still waiting on that answer there bucko....