Equate vs. P-A-M

[rabernet]

do you know where to find a detailed chemical analysis of both products?

The link posted above by Deborah is the statement from Bob Pound, the creator of Provent-A-Mite and he explains the differences.

But no - I don't have that.

[SugarFox03]

GO WITH BLACK KNIGHT ALL THE WAYYYY!!!!!!! I had a BAD infestation in my whole collection and one treatment of BK got rid of em all!

I second the use of Black Knight if you can find it. I had a mite outbreak (my first since keeping BP's since 04!) and the BK really did the job. Just read the label carefully and don't spray on the animal (use Reptile Relief for that.)

Good luck, mites suck...but it's not the end of the world.

[SoundUnsleep]

I really tried to keep this zipped and just shut my mouth, considering I got a friendly response to a post in a different thread, mentioning that this site only suggests using PAM. Well, ... I don't use PAM (I use Repel Permanone) and here's why I don't necessarily see any reason for spending $20.00 plus S&H for a can of the only product that is patented as snake safe:

Provent-A-Mite is being distributed (not manufactured) by Pro-Products. It is manufactured by Coulston. Coulston distributes the product under the name Coulston Duranon ($5 to 8).

The ingredients (including inerts and breakdown of actives) for most products are easy enough to look up via google. Just type in the EPA number of any product followed by the words 'material safety data'.

I prefer spending my money on items that contribute to my snakes' well-being, not someones' monopoly addiction.

[XGetSome]

Thank you....I posted similar I read CLAIMS that the ingredients are different but no proof. I also looked into the EPA ingredients and the manufacturer. I am sorry for all the DieHard PAM users, and generally I know many of you personally. But I have some snake oil for sale that Makes you live longer than 100 years old. Well its not really snake oil, even though the ingredients are the same, they are different.

On a sidenote, PAM is absolutely awesome(except the price). Also anyone using Equate bedding spray, NIX, similar permethrin products, It IS lethal and WILL kill your snakes without proper instructions. PAM clearly explains step by step how to use it. It is a great product, but If I could buy Coca Cola in a Blue can for 50 cents a can or a Red can for 2$ a can, I think I will have it in blue.

I really tried to keep this zipped and just shut my mouth, considering I got a friendly response to a post in a different thread, mentioning that this site only suggests using PAM. Well, ... I don't use PAM (I use Repel Permanone) and here's why I don't necessarily see any reason for spending $20.00 plus S&H for a can of the only product that is patented as snake safe:

Provent-A-Mite is being distributed (not manufactured) by Pro-Products. It is manufactured by Coulston. Coulston distributes the product under the name Coulston Duranon ($5 to 8).

The ingredients (including inerts and breakdown of actives) for most products are easy enough to look up via google. Just type in the EPA number of any product followed by the words 'material safety data'.

I prefer spending my money on items that contribute to my snakes' well-being, not someones' monopoly addiction.

[dr del]

Hi,

So you don't put any faith in what is said in this post then?


dr del

[SoundUnsleep]

Hi,

So you don't put any faith in what is said in this post then?


dr del

No, I don't and that surely has nothing to do with faith, but with rational thinking.
I was brought up to think for myself, not to have others think for me. I absolutely consider and respect the opinion of others, but I don't necessarily jump off the cliff just because everyone else does it!

[blackcrystal22]

I am quite happy spending a mere 20 dollars on something that is guarenteed to not harm my animal.
If that other product were to cause some sort of issue, would you regret saving the 12 dollars? Coughvetbillscough.

The only thing I see here is greed.

[XGetSome]

I am quite happy spending a mere 20 dollars on something that is guarenteed to not harm my animal.
If that other product were to cause some sort of issue, would you regret saving the 12 dollars?

The only thing I see here is greed.

So If my snake dies after using Provent a Mite...I get a refund for the price of my animal? Thats what a Guarantee is. Good luck on that.

[XGetSome]

Hi,

So you don't put any faith in what is said in this post then?


dr del

Correct, No I dont unless the manufacturer proves to me that their product is different, PAM isnt even the manufacturer.

Also they would have to prove to me that my Can of 4$ Equate that I buy at WalMart isnt the same product.

Ive seen this in every Hobby.

Calcium supplements for my retiles, chameleons, lizards, bearded dragons...I can buy 10$ TINY can at a pet store or a 50Lb bag for 10$ to 20$ at a feed store.

Kalkwasser sold in Tiny Cans for saltwater tanks, everyone paid 10$ to 20$
a can (few ounces) for it for many years, to only find out I was buying a pound of it for a Dollar, its Pickling Lime. Been tested extensively to prove so. Not by me, but by Randy Holmes Farley, a chemist with extensive research and documentation.

Aragonite sand for reef tanks, 20lbs for 20$ Or go to Home Depot and buy a 50 pound bag of SouthDown playsand for 5$ and its 100% Aragonite snd, just not marketed the same.

I can go on forever. I will say This, Bob Pound sells a excellent product(PAM)
I'm just fortunate enough to know how to get the same thing or similar for much less....and if its not the same thing? I know many people including myself who has used it for years, with no problems, and 100% success rate.

I also read a claim from the Distributor the reason the EPA ingredients are the same to similar product was it takes years (too long) to test a new product and get EPA approval....well? When I find out they are willing to do so, and I am proven the products safer....I'll be willing to pay the extra 15$ a can for it.

[blackcrystal22]

Also, PAM is $15 on the Pro-Products website.

If your animal died, and was autopsied and proven that it was due to a PAM product it would kill PAMs rep, and I can bet from the replies of the creator himself, that he would do something in result.
If all else fails, you could sue, because it's EPA approved.

You would have no case with the other products.