Big snakes, small enclosures.

[Nate]

Sometimes, I like will read Wes' posts as if Stewie from Family Guy is narrating.... it makes it pretty funny

[littleindiangirl]

Sometimes, I like will read Wes' posts as if Stewie from Family Guy is narrating.... it makes it pretty funny

!!! I'm going to do that from now on.

[burnziesballs8]

Leave the guy (BRIAN) alone he spends a crap load of his own money to produce a show to promote all you smaller breeders, maybe if he didn't do the show he could buy 20 foot cages, then you guys would find another thing to complain about and he would be just as successful selling snakes with everyone who knows how great his animals are cared for, but the smaller breeders wouldn't have as much business. Their are always ppl complaining for the reason to hear their own voice, think they are special. keep up the great breeding, snakes aren't like ppl, like the dude way before said about being in the closet wanting to breed the naked girl, if they aren't happy they aren't breeding. We all know that isn't the case over at bhb, every year he comes out with crazier and crazier morphs, but more importantly his percentages of breeding are very good that means healthy AND happy.

[DutchHerp]

One thing that really bothers me is that some of you have the attitude that it's someone's own choice and they can do what they want with their animals. Honestly, I couldn't care less if one of you jumped off a bridge and was in the hospital for months. However, if you're a Nile Monitor keeper, you MUST fulfill its requirements. After all, you're taking this animal to take of it, and having it in a 5.5ft tub is not fulfilling its requirements.

Brian goes to many reptile shows. To make a profit, no? How about one day he doesn't go and he prepares a perfectly sized monitor cage... with actual heat and size requirements. Go to home depot and build a nice big cage.

Again, as a keeper, you are responsible for taking good care of an animal. In the end it's "your choice" with what you want to do with an animal, but if you decide to keep an animal, you MUST TAKE CARE OF IT PROPERLY.

Say what you like, but you can't put a 6ft Nile Monitor in a 5.5ft tub in a snake rack with snake requirements.

[Denial]

haha im a creep. Thats the same thing my mother always said to me!

Dutch I wouldnt worry to much on this anymore. We have our views and otheres have there. I just feel sorry for the nile.

[DutchHerp]

haha im a creep. Thats the same thing my mother always said to me!

Dutch I wouldnt worry to much on this anymore. We have our views and otheres have there. I just feel sorry for the nile.

Unfortunately.

I just don't get why these people don't realize that you can't keep a 6ft nile in a tub? Even a 10x3 is waaaay too small (in my opinion, for you "it's your opinion" people).

Just because it's Brian, doesn't mean he's an expert. He certainly isn't keeping that Nile like one, that's for sure.

[wilomn]

Unfortunately.

I just don't get why these people don't realize that you can't keep a 6ft nile in a tub? Even a 10x3 is waaaay too small (in my opinion, for you "it's your opinion" people).

Just because it's Brian, doesn't mean he's an expert. He certainly isn't keeping that Nile like one, that's for sure.

Tell me again, if you would be so kind, how many niles do you have and for how long have you been keeping them?

Kid, real life and book learin' aren't often the same.

Have you, YOU, talked to Brian or are you just reacting to suppositions?

Because, you see, if you have no facts to go on, if you don't know why or how long that tub held that lizard, you're no better than the little pooflinger imitating the larger but equally ignorant pooflingers who screech and scream so well but run hand hide, she and demure when the object of their fecal flinging spree, heretofore in absentia, shows up.

So little chimp, you just a flinger or have you actually done any talking to the big chimps?

[DutchHerp]

Tell me again, if you would be so kind, how many niles do you have and for how long have you been keeping them?

Kid, real life and book learin' aren't often the same.

Have you, YOU, talked to Brian or are you just reacting to suppositions?

Because, you see, if you have no facts to go on, if you don't know why or how long that tub held that lizard, you're no better than the little pooflinger imitating the larger but equally ignorant pooflingers who screech and scream so well but run hand hide, she and demure when the object of their fecal flinging spree, heretofore in absentia, shows up.

So little chimp, you just a flinger or have you actually done any talking to the big chimps?

I have never kept a single lizard in my life.

Does that mean I don't know anything about their care? Yeapers.

Does that mean I don't have common sense? No sir.

Wes, it doesn't take an expert to see that a Nile Monitor cannot be kept in a 5.5ft tub. I'm not commenting on breeding these lizards, what temperatures to keep them at, what lights to give them, what substrate, or water needs to provide them with.

I can, however, tell you that a 6ft Nile Monitor cannot be kept in a goshdarn tub. How can a lizard that size honestly be kept in a tub like that?! I just don't get why you have to be an expert to see this. Honestly baffled to hear someone tell me I'm baby chimpanzee preaching what the bigger chimpanzees have said when any nutjob can see that a monitor cannot be kept in complete darkness.

Again, he may not be in there for long. But he's in there for too long. You can get a perfect cage in a week.

If Brian keeps so many animals, he has to take care of them. If he can't take care of the animals he's got properly, he needs to step back and assess the situation.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Okay... I am not going to say ANYTHING except what I personally feel about keeping my own snakes. I have a rack system. I hate it, I feel like it's a prison cell. My other enclosures are 38 large open enclosures, which I feel my snakes are MUCH more content in. But then again, I keep mostly garter snakes who will not thrive in a rack system quite like ball pythons will.They will tolerate it, but I can tell they hate it and will cruise around in a circle in a tub all day. I use my rack system mostly for baby snakes, feeding shy eaters, gravid females, my ball pythons (whom I must say do exceedingly well in this setup) and really high strung snakes who need their absolute privacy. I have to keep it around, because of the high volume of baby snakes I end up with from my garters. But if I get the chance, I will replace it. I like to give my snakes space, with a choice of hides, water bowl large enough to go for a little swim, lots of plant and climby things, not to mention the option to expierience a temperature gradient, and overhead lighting, even if it's not the heat source. I don't feel that I have the right to keep a giant snake until I have built an enclosure large enough for that snake to do as it pleases. Many say that the giant snakes don't want to move around, but I have seen videos of wild adult retics, and they seem quite agile and active for such large snakes. Somehow I don't see a snake like that laying around like a total space out zombie for months on end. They are not going to move around in captivity if they are not given the option. A snake stuffed into a small dark container where it can't really move around much, or do really anything except wrap around it's water bowl and eat, in my opinion does not get to live it's life to the fullest. Even if it lives for a long time, what is the point of keeping my snakes, if I can't see and observe them? If It ever gets to the point where I can't personally interact and observe all of my snakes on a daily basis, then I'll know I have too many and will cut back.

The number one thing I absolutely hate is when people say that there is a such thing as too large of an enclosure for a snake. There is a such thing, only if all of the space is not harnessed and used right. But if you use it right, there's no such thing as too large a cage. Remember, no matter how big it is, it's still a CAGE. In the wild, the WORLD is their enclosure. If you put a baby snake in a 75 gallon tank, with a few hides and a water bowl it will probably stress out majorly from being in too open of a space. But if you fill it with tons of places to go, climb, hide, and explore, multiple water dishes and such, and are able to regularly supply him with food, why not? Sure, it's not convenient for us, and it's not an easy thing to keep up with, but that doesn't mean it isn't doable.

[zackw419]

Tell me again, if you would be so kind, how many niles do you have and for how long have you been keeping them?

Kid, real life and book learin' aren't often the same.

Have you, YOU, talked to Brian or are you just reacting to suppositions?

Because, you see, if you have no facts to go on, if you don't know why or how long that tub held that lizard, you're no better than the little pooflinger imitating the larger but equally ignorant pooflingers who screech and scream so well but run hand hide, she and demure when the object of their fecal flinging spree, heretofore in absentia, shows up.

So little chimp, you just a flinger or have you actually done any talking to the big chimps?

Being an expert doesn't mean your doing everything right. I know reputation seems to be a big thing with you but lets be real, ASIDE from who has more rep points or who has their own TV show or who is younger than who else. Tell me, honestly does it make sense to you for a large, adult Nile monitor to be kept in a tub that size? I want a yes or no. Not some long da-da-da philosophy that slowly works its way off-topic.