Quote Originally Posted by m00kfu View Post
Two problems with your argument.

First off, the original spider came from the wild with the wobbling that you see in some of them. So there goes that argument.
actually, it helps back my idea. mutations can lead to defects as well as pretty colors or patterns. proof that this happens can be found in a wild caught specimen. thinking about natural selection, do you think the spider trait would thrive in the wild? i don't....

Quote Originally Posted by m00kfu View Post
Secondly, dog breeds are still the same species. They weren't created by breeding a dog and say, a fox. As far as I know, they were line bred to create the different breeds.
so was the wolf the ONLY dog in the world then? and all dogs are bred from that one line? no, i'm sorry. that's not accurate. breeds are created by "hybridizing" this breed with that, back crossing to this, outcrossing to that, stabilizing for traits, and inbreeding for stability.

Quote Originally Posted by m00kfu View Post
Breeding a ball python with a blood does NOT create a new "breed", it creates a mutt, plain and simple.
after six generations of inbred hybridization you have a new "strain". so yes, man CAN create new things by selective breeding.

if you REALLY want to see how it works, try breeding beans, peppers or tomatoes.

my point here is if someone really wanted to spend the time, they could create a true breeding line of hybrid ball/blood. after so many gererations (usually six, sometimes more), you have a stable line of hybrid that will produce offspring identical to the parents.

as much breeding that goes on around here, one would think arguments like this would never occur.

to those who think you shouldn't play god by breeding mutts, sell your bp morphs and get out of the hobby.