Anyone know of these morphs?

[kc261]

If you cross a spider het clown with a clown, you would get spiders het clown, clowns, AND clown spiders.

[Ben Biscy]

If you cross a spider het clown with a clown, you would get spiders het clown, clowns, AND clown spiders.

wouldn't a clown spider be a visual spider? both are pattern morphs, clown is recessive, so spider would show, dominating the clown gene.

i'm just guessing here, btw.

[kc261]

As far as I am aware, no one has produced a spider clown yet, so no one knows for sure.

However, when people say that spider is dominant, they mean in relation to normal, specifically the normal gene on the spider locus. And when people say clown is recessive, they mean in relation to the normal gene on the clown locus. Unless spider and clown are on the same locus, those are 2 different normal genes, but even if they are on the same locus, it says nothing about the relationship between spider and clown.

It is very possible to have a snake display both a dominant and a recessive trait at the same time, because they are on different loci. Some examples: honey bee, albino spider, spied, etc.

[Ben Biscy]

As far as I am aware, no one has produced a spider clown yet, so no one knows for sure.

However, when people say that spider is dominant, they mean in relation to normal, specifically the normal gene on the spider locus. And when people say clown is recessive, they mean in relation to the normal gene on the clown locus. Unless spider and clown are on the same locus, those are 2 different normal genes, but even if they are on the same locus, it says nothing about the relationship between spider and clown.

It is very possible to have a snake display both a dominant and a recessive trait at the same time, because they are on different loci. Some examples: honey bee, albino spider, spied, etc.

True, and good point.

however, i do wonder about the spider/clown not being produced. that might be similar to the homo spider talk, they might be there, but not reported.

on that side note, i still think that spsp x spsp would result in 100% spider... i've heard rumors of 100% spider clutches, but no incontrovertible evidence.

[MarkS]

Hey everyone,

I wanted to know if anyone has seen spider clowns or cinny clowns and if anyone has pictures would they post them? I have been looking around, but haven't found any if there even...are? Let me know, I am interested in what they'd look like.

Not sure if they've been done or not, I certain don't remember seeing any pics. They sound like they would be interesting projects. Clowns are a nice morph but I don't think a lot of mixing has been done with them yet. It's hard to visualize what a spider clown or a cinnamon clown would look like, but then again, until it's actually been produced you can't really say what any designer is going to look like. After all, who could have predicted that a yellowbelly X specter would produce a striped snake?

[nelson77321]

spider clown has been produced, i wont say anymore about it though.

[MarkS]

spider clown has been produced, i wont say anymore about it though.

Well, thats's kind of a useless post then isn't it?

[nelson77321]

Well, thats's kind of a useless post then isn't it?

well no i dont think so, the fact of the matter is nobody knew it had been produced, i know it does, but unless the breeder of the morph comes out and tells people then i wont reveal anymore info.

[MarkS]

Couldn't you at least let us know who produced it, where it was produced and if you've personally seen it? And if so, what were your impressions?

[nelson77321]

was produced in europe, my first impressions i wasnt overly excited and i love clown combo's.

if you could imagine it i would say its probably 75% spider, 25% clown ...