Quote Originally Posted by JohnNJ View Post
I don't know enough about the BP market to argue your point. Maybe the idiots you refer to would like to take a shot.

As I said, from a buyer's perspective, I can wait it out until I'm comfortable with the deal. The seller should be able to do the same, whatever that deal is.

Since you, and "plenty of other breeders", can command high end market prices and sell out without a problem, what exactly is the point of this thread? Set your prices where you feel comfortable.

Maybe we can do business someday.
Like I said, we can price our animals at what ever we want to, as we all should be able to do, but we can't realistically price our animals at the prices we should be getting when all the under cutters have rolled the market prices down to a small fraction of what they should be. If the lesser market prices are $600, we can maybe charge $800 and still make sales, but that doesn't change the fact that most of these breeders probably paid well over $2,000 for their breeding stock, and would be able to charge a par market price of $1,500 or so right now, and rightfully so, if the undercutters hadn't bottomed out the market over the last 2-3 years.

The under cutters are the ones setting the bar for pricing in this industry, for some ridiculous reason. Breeders who care about the well being and health of their animals, and who won't ship them out before putting on some weight and being sure that every hatchling is an established feeder that will thrive in the average customer's care are the ones who are taking it in the eye, as are the idiots who are collapsing the market, but I feel a little less sympathy for the latter.

Like I said in a previous post, I've bought pastels every year since '06. I only have 1.2, but paid $1,400 for them, knowing that the market would be about $100 by the time I hatched any. These are beautiful animals, as well as ingredients to some of the most amazing creatures on earth, and they will always be in high demand. There is no reason for them to be under $500, ever. I guarantee that every breeder would sell out of female pastels for the next 2-3 years if they were still $600 for females across the board.