Oh my.. so much to reply. Well here I go.

Quote Originally Posted by Mindibun View Post
Everyone else has covered what all I was going to say. I'm a vegetarian also. I'd be vegan if it weren't for cheese and eggs (though I only buy certified humane eggs). Everything else I eat is vegan, and I don't ever buy or wear animal products. So, I know where you're coming from on the "it's hard to find food for myself" front.

My diet is a LOT of fresh fruits and veggies. Grains in pastas and bread are a big portion of it, too. I take a multivitamin every week or so, and thus far I haven't had any problems with anything. I'm glad you've gotten all your vitamin stuff sorted out properly.

And for those of you who eat meat and say that "vegetarianism can't be good for you if you have to take vitamins" ... yeah. Technically, we should all be taking vitamins. And eating fresh fruits and veggies is FAR healthier than eating the fat of another animal. Meat only has protein in it because the animals first ate plants. It gets REALLY old hearing people talk about protein deficiencies in vegetarians. We get just as much protein as the next guy, provided we're eating properly.

And for those of you who say, "Oh, I could never give up meat. I love it too much!" Personally, I think that sounds very selfish and ignorant. But that's just me.

I wish I had the patience today to explain myself further and not sound so snappy, but I've had a rough day. So those are my thoughts on the matter in a not-so-nice way, and I apologize for it.
Wow, you hit it right on the head. I couldn't have ever explained it better if my life depended on it.
Thank you for understanding, and we forgive you. :]

Quote Originally Posted by recycling goddess View Post
I respectfully 100% disagree with you. I'm a raw vegan which means I only each raw fruits, veggies, nuts and seeds although I'm not big on the nuts and seeds. EVERYthing you need is in your food if you eat it when it hasn't been heated above 118 degrees.



I'm here I'm here... there is this forum (mine) as well:

http://www.timelessspirit.com/forum



I'll be there... if ya need me!

Not only have I recovered from diabetes and a very very sick liver, high blood pressure and horrid cholesterol but I've also released 140 pounds in 11 months. Yup you heard me right... that's simply because I'm giving my body all the nutrients it needs, feeding it really healthy live foods and the weight literally just melted off me.

I've been to my doctor who is very supportive of my lifestyle and he's thrilled with my blood results. He's told me that I'm no longer diabetic, my liver is above optimal (and it was the same as a 50-year-drinking liver - and I don't drink!), my cholesterol is perfect and my blood pressure is once again on the low side (always has been).

Consider live foods... even if you don't go 100% raw (which I recommend) - the more live food you put into your body the more nutrition your body has to work with. If nothing else... a green smoothie is essential for a healthy body. One or two (or more) a day... does wonders.

My hubby has never been able to control his diabetes. No matter what he ate, his sugars were high. He went on a 20 day green smoothie feast (nothing but green smoothies for 20 days) and his sugars came down and now are GREAT. Our doctor was so happy to hear he's decided to join me (he encouraged him to as a matter of fact)... as his blood work is so much better now.

So... just do it!

Here's a little article about my journey:

http://www.timelessspirit.com/JAN08/walk.shtml

and my blog:

http://aleeshasrawlife.blogspot.com/

here's me a year ago eating vegan food:

here's me today eating raw:
I completely think that going raw would be a major health decision I would want to make.. however.. I will do my best to eat more raw foods.. but I won't be able to eat ONLY raw foods. In the future I may be able to become vegan and raw but I can't overdo it now.
Right now, my nutrition is very important, but I have a lot of other loads on my shoulders in my life that I need to worry about for my future as well. Taking a big step like that is going to have to come slowly for me. Raw fasts are probably a good idea, but school makes things difficult. :[
It's almost interesting. My mother has severe liver problems (which are healing with acupuncture and other alternative work) but it was due to having toxemia with my younger brother. I feel terrible for my mother and all she's gone through when it comes to birthing children.

Also, I've seen your pictures before, and I do say you look fantastic and have done a wonderful job!

Quote Originally Posted by stangs13 View Post
Ok, what do you mean by treating them like they are already dead?
From what I have experienced and read people don't hunt older animals or fish, they either taste bad or are tough it comes with the age of the animal. Some fish will have bugs in the meat too when they are older. Its nasty!
When a hunter goes hunting for turkey or deer, what do they look for?
Turkey hunters look for large big lead turkeys that have the largest body on them. They are usually older. Not necessarily OLD but older.
Deer hunters go for the biggest prize, the largest head of antlers. The more points, the older it is. :]
That is what I meant by it being older. Fish is something completely different.

As for animals being treated like they are already dead, many factory farms do not treat an animal like a living thing. They beat them, step on them, kick them, and do all types of nasty things.
Now theres one thing I want to get straight.
I HATE PETA.
Well.. strongly despise and dislike. Hate is a strong word..
They're intentions have gone way beyond just animal cruelty after what they have done to animals themselves. They want zero contact with humans and animals. No blind eye dogs, no canine unit, no PETS, no educational zoos, nothing.
They also only look at the negative aspects and the problem, when people do this it bothers me. Fighting negative with negative rarely wins.
Why I told you I hate PETA is because I found out from them about chicken farms. I found out about the worst of the farms. They feed chickens with added steroids to make them bigger faster. The chickens grow too fast for their own body an their legs break as a result. Chickens who can't walk through the pens are beaten and left to die.


Now, that is the worst of the scenarios and it may have only happened once. And what PETA doesn't seem to point out, is that there are places that are not like that. They only look at the bad.

But that is what I mean by them being treated as if they were dead.

Quote Originally Posted by Epona142 View Post
Do you honestly want to know? Ergh.

Let's start with the fact it was filthy. The cows were living in mud constantly, which is really bad for their hooves. Their calves were immediately taken away and raised for veal. (Which means living in a tiny stall where they cannot even turn around, but that's another issue.)

The machines they were hooked up to were not properly matienenced. Some of the cows had crusty, scabby udders. Many had numerous health problems, including mastitis, an infection of the udder. Which, by the way, all of that gets into the milk.

Just the look in these poor cow's eyes was enough to turn me off from commercial milk. Not to mention, by the time you GET the milk, its little more than chalky water, having been pasteurized and homogenized to death.

Don't ask me where I saw this, because I'm no going to say, to prevent any possible legal repercussions. I wasn't really supposed to be there.
I've known this for a while. I never liked milk anyway though. Blech, I hate the taste. It's just.. not right.
I also know that milk turns yellow on TV partially because of that pus and is why it's no longer used in cereal commercials and is instead replaced with glue.


Thats the thing. Some dairies are nice. Some are horrible. Same with factory farms.
Either way, it's too hard to pick and choose, and even some of the organics farms are bad.. so really we can't always know.