Quote Originally Posted by kitedemon View Post
I never said you could not, but you constantly have given advise based on myths. I have been tinkering in an empty enclosure for over a year now. I have been calibrating and woking with Radiant IR driers for just over 19 years. Add two years of using them with arboreal animals. I have a very good understanding of what they do and how they do it. I have never said your set ups don't work just to stop using myths to sell the idea of them they can stand on their own merits. Please keep in mind you have suggested using a RHP in an 11 inch enclosure, you suggest pro panels I understand this is inside their min recommended distance.


Over a grab bag of exchanges you have said all kinds of things.

Checking ambient temps with an IR gun. I pointed out if true you would only read the air in the body of the gun (objects not air...)
•Have you decided to use an accurate probed one ? Have you checked a shaded air temp yet placing a probe under a RHP only checks the surface of the probe not the air.•

You said RHP are very efficient, more so than UTH. I figure more cost, more power, and far more heat loss means less efficiency.

You said that plastic was dangerous inside an enclosure, and still you have plastic panels over wood, plastic RHPs. I don't think you believe your enclosures are dangerous and as glass reinforced polyester melts at lower temps than PVC, PVC is equally safe or safer as it is very difficult to actually burn. Can we assume that if the inside of the enclosure gets to 200ºC the snake will be cooked before the plastic melts.

You feel that black objects do not get hotter than white objects under radiant heat (the sun) . You felt this is a laughable idea.

You have also ignored the vertical gradient issues and suggested that 90º floor temps while ignoring the top of the hide was fine. I will not ever suggest subjecting a snake to temps over 94º ever is a good idea and the top of the hide is included.

My beef is simple give advise based on truth, RHPs do not directly heat air. They cost more than UTH. They may or may not require supplement heat to raise ambient air temps. There is a min set up distance some suppliers say upwards of 22 inches from face to floor. Probe placement can be tricky finding a spot that it cannot become dislodged, blocked by objects, or snakes. You recommend things repeatedly based on things that are not true. RHP do not belong in low enclosures less than 18 inches IMO I can accept variation but really not 12 not even mentioning 11 like you have just recommended in contradiction to one of your earlier posts. You claim 'keep egos out' then stop trying to undermine my points by hypocritical statements. Contradicting yourself to make a 'fool of me' (or words to that effect, that you said, and then started in on the plastic in enclosure can melt and cause burns, is that your position or is plastic safe again? Or perhaps polyester is not, in your mind, plastic?)

RHP are great when you understand how they work, they are not the fix every situation, and use them in every enclosure solution, you always make them out to be. They have up sides and down sides like everything else. Sometimes the inexpensive simple solution works better do not take buyers remorse out on me.
Kite, you are sick in the head and need to seek serious medical attention! You seem to want to make things up that people have not said or you misunderstood them. Anyone that have been through the third grade knows that black objects heat up more than white ones. Even in this post I have backed you that uth are more efficient but you want to put words in my mouth saying I said differently. I have never said rhp were the all size fits all. All I have ever backed is that they do work in my set ups under the conditions in MY CAGES. I have always stood true to the fact they dont raise ambiant temps alone, they do heat objects which in turn heat the surrounding air. I have taken every reading in my cages that need to be taken. I used an ir gun to measure surface temps at all levels (vertical gradient) the temps of all objects, I also used a probed accurite thermometer to measuse air temps (even and especially in shaded areas such as the insides of hides and all is well. Fyi I do use pro heat (pro products) and their framework is made of metal not plastic. Here is the deal...im tired of the constant harassment by you and discrediting me and everything I say publically. NONE of us hold degrees on herpetology so you have no right chasing off other members of this site. We are all entitled to our opinions because in the end that is all they are. It is up to the op to do their homework and choose the option that best fits their needs. In the future if you continue to harass me or other members here or you continue to hijack posts you will be reported to the moderators of this site. State your case and stop bullying others. PERIOD!!!!