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    I have first hand experience with what can happen when breeding for super cinnamons and it was covered by The Reptile Report: http://thereptilereport.com/super-ci...eason-why-not/



    You can get variations in head/skull deformities including duckbills, mishaped heads, cleft jaws etc.
    You can get severe and minor kinking of the spine etc.
    You can get eye issues (usually stemming from skull deformity)

    Of 5 supers produced in an 8 egg clutch, only 1 came out flawless. 2 were culled due to extreme deformity, and 2 were given away to friends as pets due to being completely unbreedable, but in survivable shape.

    Super black pastels and black pastel cinnamons have also run into the same complications according to other breeders, although it hasn't been well documented and the frequency of these complications isn't known.

    Taken from my post on reptilescanada.com
    It is important to mention:
    - Incubation was at the standard 88-89.F
    - Parents are unrelated, from different lines originating from seperate breeders
    - There was a minor humidity issue that was resolved early on during incubation
    - This was my first attempt at Super Cinnamons

    Well,

    Unfortunately it looks like I may only have (at most) 1 super cinnamon of the 5 that will be in good enough condition to sell or trade. Two were culled almost immediately following their attempt at exiting the egg (pictures below) and two more are not in the best condition. I have a nice looking paradox with a minor spinal kink, another with an eye that is bulged, and only one seems to be in good condition (although it is still partially in the egg, so that may not be the case). The two Cinnamon and single Normal offspring look absolutely healthy. Incubation was at 89.9F and despite a slight humidity issue that was corrected, completely normal.

    Suffice it to say, this has been a heartbreaking season for me. This clutch was my most anticipated, and unfortunately, I was relying on this clutch to financially support further expansion through trades/sales etc. Kind of feels like being held back a grade, knowing that I won't be where I hoped to for next season. Live and learn!

    That being said I wanted to let everyone know the very real possibility of defects/deformations that comes along with breeding super cinnamons - I will tell you now that this is the last Cinnamon to Cinnamon pairing I will EVER attempt. If you wondered why there aren't more super cinnamons out there, this is more than likely the answer.

    TJ
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