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View Poll Results: Which morphs, if any, do you avoid? (You can select more than one option)
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Spiders (because of the "wobble")
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Caramels (because of the kinking potential)
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Caramels (because of the female subfertility)
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Super lessers (because of the bug-eyes)
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Super cinnies (because of the duckbill/kinking)
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None of the above
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Re: Do you avoid morphs with known genetic flaws?
 Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion
Albino musk turtle: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_4VXrkZe4Wm...usk+turtle.jpg
Blue phase (axanthic) green anole: http://i.pbase.com/g4/29/489029/2/63066576.YOGSEgI5.jpg
Albino rosy boa (there are TONS of rosy boa morphs): http://www.priceanimal.com/rosy11.jpg
Albino Hermann's Tortoise: http://albinosunlimited.com/sites/de...n/DSC_4750.JPG
Of COURSE there are morphs of these species...and if there are any tortoise species in which morphs have not yet been discovered, the moment random mutation blesses someone, it WILL be propagated. Species with no morphs still being bred? Of course...because there are no morphs. The moment one shows up, people will breed it.
Even if there are no morphs, people aren't going to leave things be...they will selectively breed for the traits they want, instead, changing the animal's appearance more slowly, over time.
As for worse problems than spiders...such as what?
Increasing the ataxia beyond what you see in spiders produces a non-viable animal that can't feed well, and doesn't thrive. So there is nothing worse...worse doesn't work.
I forgot about the ones in rosy boas. I never knew about the axanthic green anole, and it's not common. That's a razorback musk, not a stinkpot.
I wasn't talking about the wobble getting worse. I was thinking of the other problems above. I KNOW these are different examples. Compare a koi (fish) to the bubble-cheek and goldfish with huge eyes sticking out of their head.
There are 'balloon' mollies, and now a similar thing with bettas.
Obviously, these wouldn't happen with ball pythons. I'm saying that people still peoduce those, so why do you think they wouldn't make more of a genetic deformity, even if it survives?
 Originally Posted by snake lab
Something everyone needs to understand and consider is that in the grand scheme of things the ball python breeding industry is still in its infancy. There are going to be genetic issues with what we do. To say we shouldnt work with certain morohs because of risks is stupid. Instead of taking that stance how bout working with them to try and eliminate such issues or get a better understanding of the issues. Alot of things genetically can be washed out over time with selective breeding. This has been done in dog breeding and in other animal breeding. Genetic flaws are in all living creatures. Its not species specific to ball pythons. Look at the amount of morphs that are solid without issues. The percentages are good. And back to the price tag thing. You can be as politically correct as you want but if there was no market then there would be no industry. This industry was not built on the hobbyist. It was built on buisness. Without it there would have never been all these morphs to work with. Without a market their would never have been a nerd, ralph davis, tsk, bhb, kahl, sharp, outback, etc etc etc. It costs money to do what has been done therefore there is the market to support it. We also have to look at the evolution of these morphs we see today. If we didnt have morphs on this poll we would not have the combos we have today. If you want to work with the most complete gene in ball pythons youd be breeding normals.
People definitely don't have to breed the morphs with problems for business. The spider gene is one of the cheapest right now, since so many people started breeding them.
There are still hundreds of combos that don't have problems. Someone correct this if it's incorrect, but none of these morphs have problems, or their combinations:
piebald, albino, OG, any line of pastel, pin, het. blue eye leucistic complex, black eye leucistic complex, 8 ball complex, any axanthic line, ivory, superstripe, puma, highway, calico/sugar......
The list is ectremely long, without the added problematic morphs. Try combining 3 of those, much less 4+ genes. The problem-free combinations are practically endless.
 Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion
By the way, I encourage people who are impassioned over this to do exactly that--breed normals selectively, to produce better color and pattern, great temperaments, and excellent, non-picky feeding.
It's a project I have planned for the future, when I have the space and money for it. It will benefit everyone in the long run, if folks begin to do this.
That is a good idea. It's pretty much what I'm trying to do with my morphs, so the normals coming from my projects will be to that description.
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