Sellers, take care Kristy1277

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The whole point of this thread is ridiculous. Basically it comes to to the fact that Jessica KNEW that the 2 snakes were bred to her fire, she TOLD me that there was a slim possibility that they might be gravid. When one of the snake did end up having a clutch, all of a sudden she wished she never sold me the snakes and basically demanded to have the egg back. It is clearly a case of seller's remorse. Just for everyone's reading pleasure, I will cut/paste all emails between us. In the emails, you can clearly see that she KNEW that the 2 snakes locked with her fire....also she gets progressively meaner and meaner to me. Start from the bottom up....



--- On Tue, 7/14/09, S.A. <......@gmail.com> wrote:


From: S.A. <......@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about Hope
To: "Kris H." <ginip21@yahoo.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 2:54 PM

Why? So I can just continue to be upset about this? I hope you get a great snake - hell, i hope it's a female fire and... i dunno, the fire and hope both were het for ghost and it's a fire ghost - whatever. I don't care. All I know is I should never have done business with you.

I gave you money off the snakes (you made a big deal about 5 bucks when you were getting my nicest girls for virtually nothing), off the herpstat, you got free waterbottles, and i gave you discounts on the rat cages AND the rats. I love how you don't even remember all the times i just stomached it - but then again, why should you? It wasn't you who has found this whole thing excruciatingly painful.

Enjoy your egg. Sincerely, I hope you get something awesome out of it. We're done.

On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Kris H. <ginip21@yahoo.com> wrote:

I never said it was hard or expensive to raise hatchlings....just saying its not a "sweet deal" as you put it. The only discounts you gave me was $10 less than what you were asking for the Herpstat. I paid for a possibly gravid snake, and thats what I got....it is not my fault that you have seller's remorse about this. Now if you want, I can keep you updated on the egg's status....if not, that is fine too.


--- On Tue, 7/14/09, S.A. <......@gmail.com> wrote:


From: S.A. <......@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about Hope
To: "Kris H." <ginip21@yahoo.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 2:23 PM


Don't give me that nonsense about how hard it is to raise hatchlings. You have an out if you wanted it, there's something in this for you, or you wouldn't be hanging on to it so hard, even though I told you it is so important to me.

I helped you. I gave you really good deals. I let you have every discount you asked for. It's exceedingly upsetting that you can't even do me this one, stupid kindness with an egg you think is so messed up, and sit there telling me how expensive it is to raise it.

I shouldn't have sold them to you, you're right. I felt pressured by my situation, but I should have held on. I was crying when you left with them. Now you've got my girls, and their egg(s). I hope you feel good about yourself.

This is really making me angry and sad. If you really have nothing else to say except "you shouldn't have done it that way" (seriously, how is that even remotely helpful?) then we have nothing else to talk about.

Good day.


On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Kris H. <ginip21@yahoo.com> wrote:

You still havent really answered the question. Even if it was a remote possibility that they were gravid, you shouldve kept them. I dont feel like I got a sweet deal or am taking advantage. I bought them knowing that one might be gravid....and one ended up being gravid after all. I got what I paid for. I hardly feel that one possible viable egg is a sweet deal considering the effort/$$ it takes to hatch eggs and raise a hatchling. I should never have said anything about a clutch. This egg is in really bad shape, I can send you a pic if you want. I doubt it will survive after all of this anyways. Its really squished, flat and has deep creases.


--- On Tue, 7/14/09, S.A. <......@gmail.com> wrote:


From: S.A. <......@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about Hope
To: "Kris H." <ginip21@yahoo.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 2:06 PM


Like i said, i didn't think that she was. I told you it was a remote possibility, but highly unlikely. I told you how much it would mean to me, but that doesn't matter to you. All that matters is that you might have gotten a really sweet deal and that makes me feel very taken-advantage-of. You could help me, but you choose not to. Make your choice as you want. The ball is in your court to do what you feel is right, but I don't think it's cool, and I will not deal with you anymore, or allow you to benefit from my future sales in any way.



On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Kris H. <ginip21@yahoo.com> wrote:

She doesnt want to get involved in this situation, but she agrees to the fact that you sold the snakes knowing they might be gravid and didnt say anything about wanting eggs/babies if they were gravid. I am also 100% sure that if Danielle wouldve bought Hope, she would've made the same decision. I just dont understand WHY you would sell them if you wanted to have babies from the fire. It just doesnt make sense to me. I do not think I am being selfish...actually I think you are being really unfair since this was your decision in the first place to sell Lady and Hope. Again, I am sorry...and I feel that I am making the right decision.


--- On Tue, 7/14/09, S.A. <......@gmail.com> wrote:


From: S.A. <......@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about Hope
To: "Kris H." <ginip21@yahoo.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 1:15 PM


To ask her what she thought, if she thought I or you were being irrational (since she knows you). I know I could take care of the egg just fine, and that it would be OK. Even if it hatches and as a viable snake, you wouldn't give it to me, would you? I can't see this as anything but you being selfish, and I think it's really lame after all the breaks I gave you.

I don't have a problem with Danielle, I actually think she's pretty awesome, but I don't want to do anything else that might benefit you, and since you guys are together in some deals, that probably precludes me dealing with her.



On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Kris H. <ginip21@yahoo.com> wrote:

I am really sorry that you feel that way. You decided to sell the snakes knowing that they possibly mightve been gravid. Also you are not in a condition to have anymore snakes, currently your snakes are residing 2+ per bin. As I had said, the egg is in really bad shape, and it would be very irresponsible to move the egg from the incubator to give it a chance at life. Please do not take out your anger at my "associates" like Danielle, whom I know will be wanting to buy your rack when its available. She has nothing to do with this situation...she told me you sent her our conversation.


--- On Tue, 7/14/09, S.A. <......@gmail.com> wrote:


From: S.A. <......@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about Hope
To: "Kris H." <ginip21@yahoo.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 11:43 AM


I am sorry I ever sold anything to you. You have no heart of sense of empathy. Thanks for nothing.

On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Kris H. <ginip21@yahoo.com> wrote:

Yes I asked for the water bottles because I bought like 20 cages off of you, and I only got like 4 bottles the first time around. I gave you full asking price for the 2 racks, and only asked if you;d take $50 (versus $60) for the Herpstat because thats all I had left. I also paid the full asking price on the 2 snakes. I am sorry, but I dont want to give up the egg, nor move it from the incubator. You knew that there was a possibility that either of the 2 snakes mightve been gravid from the fire but you still sold them. You shouldve kept them to see if they were going to lay or not. I am sorry....

-Kris

--- On Tue, 7/14/09, S.A. <......@gmail.com> wrote:


From: S.A. <......@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about Hope
To: "Kris H." <ginip21@yahoo.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 11:21 AM


It is inaccurate to say you gave me asking price. You talked me down on several items, and when I found spare waterbottles laying around, you asked if you could have them, and I gave them to you.

I know who hope locked with, and I am asking you again to give me the egg. I can transport it safely myself, and it will be fine. I am willing to offer you something in trade, but you got so many things from me at extremely fair prices, I would hope that you wouldn't ask much. It is a matter of sentimental value that I have this egg hatch, even if it's just a normal. Please.


On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Kris H. <ginip21@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi, I said that the remaining egg doesnt look to be in good shape and has very few veins and is squished. If I had any hope of it surviving full term at all, I dont want to move it from the incubator. And just for the record, everything I bought from you I gave you your asking price...and since I bought all your leftover cages I assumed the water bottles came with the cages. I asked Danielle and she said that she remembered you had told me the fire locked with Lady, not Hope. Maybe Hope locked with a different male?


--- On Tue, 7/14/09, S.A. <......@gmail.com> wrote:


From: S.A. <......@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about Hope
To: "Kris H." <ginip21@yahoo.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 9:39 AM


I know you probably won't, but it would mean really a lot to me if you would give me the good egg. I was crushed when I lost my fire, and i would like to have the egg.

I was really nice and gave you lots of free water bottles and discounts. I know this is asking a lot, but it really would mean a lot for me to have it.

your call.

On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Kris H. <ginip21@yahoo.com> wrote:

Yes I will keep you updated. I had to scramble to put together a makeshift incubator since my big one isnt finished yet. I swear you only told that Lady locked with the fire....maybe I just heard you wrong. The clutch was 4 eggs and 1 slug, when I found them 2 were definitely bad, 1 iffy and 1 had some veins (but I saw the embryo moving). I am incubating the iffy egg and the egg with veins....we'll see. Thanks.
-Kris

--- On Tue, 7/14/09, S.A. <......@gmail.com> wrote:


From: S.A. <......@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about Hope
To: "Kris H." <ginip21@yahoo.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 9:22 AM


I am sure I mentioned Hope's situation.

It would be a fire clutch. She probably layed prematurely due to the stress of moving. I didn't think she was, but I told you it was a remote possibility. I'm sorry for the surprise.

Please tell me how the one egg does, and what it gives you if it survives. I lost the fire that bred her, but he was an especially nice-looking guy.

On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 9:08 AM,
Kris H. <ginip21@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hope laid a clutch of eggs recently. I actually just found them last night when I lifted out her hide to try feeding her again (she hadnt been eating). I am not actually sure when they were laid, I am thinking about a week ago. Because I didnt even know she was gravid I wasnt looking for eggs, so unfortunately only 1 was still good but doesnt look that nice...so who knows if it will survive. Anyways, I am writing because you never told me that Hope was paired with anybody, you only mentioned Lady as a possibility. Who was Hope locked up with in case the one egg makes it? Thanks...
-Kris