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Thread: Gender Question

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    Re: Gender Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Crowfingers View Post
    As a side question - genetically speaking my snake is a cinnamon mojave ( his paring was Dam: mystic and Sire: Cinnamon Crystal). So a pairing with a regular pied would produce all het pieds that are some combo of normal, mojave, cinnamon right? Or is there a chance the grandparents genes would also be expressed? (I think genetics are fascinating, just don't really understand them)
    the odds of that pairing:
    Cinnamon Mojave x Pied =
    25% Normals
    25% Cinnamon
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    ALL will be het for Pied. no "grandsnarent" genes will be expressed at all.
    Last edited by tttaylorrr; 08-26-2017 at 08:03 PM.
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    Re: Gender Question

    So does that mean that the only genes that matter are the parents in all morph expression? It seems strange when compared with mammal breeding. But thanks for the reply!
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    Re: Gender Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Crowfingers View Post
    So does that mean that the only genes that matter are the parents in all morph expression? It seems strange when compared with mammal breeding. But thanks for the reply!
    yes, only the parents' genes matter
    4.4 ball python
    1.0 Albino 0.1 Coral Glow 0.1 Super Cinnamon paradox 1.0 Piebald 0.1 Pastel Enchi Leopard het Piebald 1.0 Coral Glow het Piebald

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    1.0 crested gecko
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    0.1 Maine Coon mix

    0.1 human ✌︎

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    Re: Gender Question

    Quote Originally Posted by tttaylorrr View Post
    yes, only the parents' genes matter
    Except that a "het" snake is one that is carrying an unexpressed gene from its parents. If you breed two snakes that are het for a trait then some of the offspring will express genes from the grandparents. I interpreted this question as asking if it would be possible to see such an expression of hets. I'd say possible yes, likely no.
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    Re: Gender Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunnieskys View Post
    Brian from BHB just posted a video that stated all BP can come out as normal since all started from normals. Even with the new morphs. Chances are lower but it will always be there.
    I'm pretty sure he wouldn't say that, a super pastel can never produce a normal offspring.

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    Re: Gender Question

    Thanks for all the info. Though breeding isn't something I have time/$ to deal with it is still very interesting - also glad that the gender question is more of owner preference, that leaves more options available for me!
    No cage is too large - nature is the best template - a snoot can't be booped too much


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    Re: Gender Question

    Quote Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser View Post
    I'm pretty sure he wouldn't say that, a super pastel can never produce a normal offspring.
    Two days ago on his vlog. I'll get the link tomorrow.
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    I would add that some traits might carry over from the grandparents... in terms of size, health, etc... things not as obvious as morph / color / pattern. But no one has selected (to my knowledge) for those traits on a regular basis, so they might be randomly expressed as opposed to the line breeding you see in mammals like dogs, horses, etc. where you can expect a certain bone structure, muscle mass, etc.
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    I have males and females in the same room without problems. A pied female would give you more gloriousness because there'd be more to love. Lol
    Baby beeps are adorable, but a big adult female is so worth having; big BP faces are beautiful.

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    Re: Gender Question

    Quote Originally Posted by DLena View Post
    A pied female would give you more gloriousness because there'd be more to love. .
    Yes I know, unfortunately (but not really) - I was unaware of the pied morph until after I bought my male...I saw my first one at the reptile show when I went to pick him up. Though I would not trade him for anything, it just made me realize that one was probably not going to be enough...
    Last edited by Crowfingers; 08-27-2017 at 12:25 PM.
    No cage is too large - nature is the best template - a snoot can't be booped too much


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