What is the most humane way to "brain" a rat?

[calmolly1]

http://www.ava.gov.sg/FoodSector/Fro...rozen+Meat.htm

Nuff said...the folks I get my feeders from I know personally, and I know how they are kept. I buy only the amount I'm feeding that week in the appropriate sizes. Your generalization of feeder breeders and suppliers is unfair, not everyone keeps their rats and mice in terrible conditions. Just by looking at my snakes you can see that they are obviously getting fed good food, so don't criticize what you don't know.


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[Foolish1]

Love Dr del. Masterful wordsmith. Delete my post where I wrote the s word instead of feces. I was saying rats were covered in their own feces and urine then steam cleaned before freezing and shipping. I didn't mean to offend by saying the s word. I mean they say it on public TV and radio. S happens. Forest Gump said. I apologize to everyone for cussing so derogatorally.

[Stewart_Reptiles]

Beyond linking something that refutes everything you said what good does this post serve. How are you supposed to moderate when you attack new members instantly so fiercely. Honestly. He was corgial and curious.

1# I posted my opinion last time I check I have to right to voice my opinion when someone post something and I am sorry but I cannot condone this

I usually put the rat in a bag and slam it on the counter or wall or something and it usually takes a few hits to finally finish.

This is ANIMAL ABUSE plain and simple, and I am not gonna praise someone for it I made my point provided 2 recognized method to do so instead as well as some reading, now I am not here to sugar coat things and I don't care if YOU havNow again as far e an issue with it.

2# The link does not refute anything I said well that is if you can comprehend what you read of course and if you read the adequate paragraph. Again acceptable methods for RODENTS (not human, not pigs)

Rodents S2.2: Injected barbiturates and barbiturate, combinations, dissociative agent combinations S2.2: Inhaled anesthetics, CO2, CO, tribromoethanol, ethanol, cervical dislocation, decapitation, focused beam microwave irradiation

Slamming an animal on a table or wall repetitively is not part of those method

3# Now as far as the moderating things I am not moderating this thread am I? See you keep mixing things, personal opinions which I have as a member (and am entitle to have) and doing my job as a mod have nothing to do with one another (my opinion and what I posted would be the same if my name was not in green except I would not be as nice about it). Again YOU are the one that called me out in this thread acting like you were persecuted because I disagreed with you on a previous thread (I disagree with someone I move on you on the other end have to bring this back up here). I only answered you, so who has issues???

Who can we message about being attacked by mods? I have seen this for a month now.

Attacked? So disagreeing is attacking? or is it the warning for bad language in an unrelated thread attacking?

Good news you can contact the admins (name in red) if you feel persecuted, you can also contest your warning and I will be more than happy to forward your complaint for you.

BTW YOU hijacked the thread again forcing me to answer yet again.

For the others sorry I would love to answer but apparently since disagreeing and opinions = attacks I wouldn't want more people to feel persecuted by me it would just ruin my day

[Foolish1]

I didn't mean to generalize. I was talking about the 3 facilities I have seen in person over the last 10 years in 3 different states. My personal experience.

[Foolish1]

That reply wasn't needed. Message me in PM. You are old news like 4 pages ago.

We have been on topic this whole time. Everyone voicing counter opinions.

[nucklehead97]

Read it again, and maybe 1 more time. Blunt force trauma to the HEAD is an acceptable means of euthanasia. This is a far cry from putting a rodent in a satchel and bouncing it around searching for that killing blow.

I said I put it in a bag and then hit it on the wall or counter a couple times not frantically waiving my arms around hoping that I hit it in the right spot so that it dies. Besides if it comes down to it I would rather a rat suffer than have to take my snake to a vet that will cost exponentially more than some stupid rat that was going to die anyway.

[John1982]

I usually put the rat in a bag and slam it on the counter or wall or something and it usually takes a few hits to finally finish. And yes I know that this is barbaric so please refrain from bashing me for how I feed my snakes because I am trying to do it better. So how do you guys that feed f/k do it?

I said I put it in a bag and then hit it on the wall or counter a couple times not frantically waiving my arms around hoping that I hit it in the right spot so that it dies. Besides if it comes down to it I would rather a rat suffer than have to take my snake to a vet that will cost exponentially more than some stupid rat that was going to die anyway.

Don't let getting defensive stand in the way of your original goal. You've been offered some alternative methods for euthanizing rodents in this thread per your request.

[PitOnTheProwl]

Love Dr del. Masterful wordsmith. Delete my post where I wrote the s word instead of feces. I was saying rats were covered in their own feces and urine then steam cleaned before freezing and shipping. I didn't mean to offend by saying the s word. I mean they say it on public TV and radio. S happens. Forest Gump said. I apologize to everyone for cussing so derogatorally.

This isnt tv or radio. This is a family friendly board that we as MODs regulate to keep it that way.
Thats the way it is and will be.
Please stop trying to live up to your chosen screen name.


Back on topic.
I am suprised no one has asked: Why not feed live if you cannot properly put down a feeder?

[calmolly1]

Back on topic.
I am suprised no one has asked: Why not feed live if you cannot properly put down a feeder?

I did...in a round about way.."as nature intended". I meant live. For the safety of my snakes I feed f/t most of the time. If I can't then I feed live. I also like to feed live on a occasion if I feel their feeding drive is getting sluggish, especially my normal girl. She doesn't strike and wrap f/t, just inspects it carefully then eats it.


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[MrLang]

I'm sure this is not helpful since we're 8 pages later, but here's the input while trying my very best not to freak out about the original description of methods to date:

CO2 is the most humane method beyond chemical shots (which then make it unacceptable to feed). CO2 has to be done properly, otherwise it can be one of the least humane ways. You need to put them in a chamber that is not pre-filled with CO2. Then, you leak the CO2 in very very slowly. The rats will behave very normally like this. Eventually they will get a little bit wobbly and then lie down to sleep. When they are all asleep, you flood the chamber with a lot of CO2. They will die in their sleep and will not gasp, panic, climb up the walls, or do anything else to show stress. This is because they are unconscious before the CO2 is even detectable.

Cervical dislocation is #2 if done properly but it is not totally surefire for everyone. There are many videos and descriptions on the web but the key to it is FIRM pinning behind the head on a flat surface (this alone is pretty traumatic for the rat) and then you need to have the BASE of the tail and be very, very deliberate in your jerk. This is very hard for most people to do. Most of us are not wired to be able to kill another mammal in panic with such brute force.

Please, please, please figure out how to use one of these methods effectively or feed live or get a snake that readily accepts F/T (corns, retics, boas, pretty much any snake that isn't a BP).