Breeding BP/OD/Albino/het Pied x BP/OD/het Albino/het Pied

Hey all, still a newbie in this forum. I am interested in pairing a male Black Pastel + Orange Dream + Albino + het Pied with a female Black Pastel + Orange Dream + het Albino + het Pied for my first breeding project. I ran a quick run through on morph market, and got the following results. I've asked on a different post on the breeding forum, but I would also like some input from the morph & genetics thread. Although the chances are indeed low, is it possible to have Super Black Pastel and Super Orange Dream together? If yes, then is the Super BP Super OD pied albino be possible phenotype too? Thanks!
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...7.30.34_pm.png

The only thing I would point out is that the only 2 snakes on MM right now with that (very) specific combo are clutchmates - you might have a difficult time sourcing another with such a specific combo.

As the calculator says it's technically possible with a one in 128 chance.

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Originally Posted by plateOfFlan

The only thing I would point out is that the only 2 snakes on MM right now with that (very) specific combo are clutchmates - you might have a difficult time sourcing another with such a specific combo.

As the calculator says it's technically possible with a one in 128 chance.

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Yes, thanks for letting me know! I was already on queue for both snakes right now in Morphmarket before I made the post haha. Wanted to ask right before buying.

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Originally Posted by ashin1012

Yes, thanks for letting me know! I was already on queue for both snakes right now in Morphmarket before I made the post haha. Wanted to ask right before buying.

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Something I would keep in mind is that Super Black Pastels are prone to 'duck-billing'--I personally would be hesitant to intercross siblings unless I knew that one of the parents was a Super Black with a good cranial structure...:)

Wasn't there just this exact thread up last week or am I losing it?

Also remember that it's not just duck billing, they can also be prone to hare lips and kinking. So you definitely want to do try and be careful who you are purchasing from. And be aware that you may have issue regardless. You may have animals hatching that will need to be 'pet only' or even need to be put down for severe birth deformities.
When purchasing a silver bullet recently, I went to a breeder who has been breeding them for a few seasons now and not seeing issues in the hatchlings. It's a bit more difficult when looking for a single gene...so I have my fingers crossed that my pewter pied will work well. Hopefully now that they're being crossed out and such more, the issues will be less common.


With all that in mind...It would still be interesting to see what would happen in a superBP/superOD. I wonder how much of the orange will actually show through.
Yes, all of the options you posted above are technically possible.
If you can find a BP OD pied het albino that may increase your chances a smidge for the all gene, but still a hard to hit. It does reduce the odds of 50% or 66% hets though as they will all be guaranteed hets for what they are not visuals of.

Also, for future reading:
Apparently, another thread on BPs is floating around today here with the risks
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...for-the-future

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Originally Posted by nikkubus

Wasn't there just this exact thread up last week or am I losing it?

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It seems like they lost the original thread and posted a new one? This one more focused on the calc results and what they found on MMarket.
Though it seems Black Pastels are getting really popular again as there's more posting about it as well.