Pied brothers....

http://www.joecompelreptiles.com/ima...d_brothers.jpg

Three brothers....this was a nice clutch;)

A couple of head shots:

http://www.joecompelreptiles.com/ima...headshot_1.jpg

http://www.joecompelreptiles.com/ima...headshot_2.jpg

Amazing animals!

Nice! Talk about high white.

WOW they are clean looking :) VERY VERY AWESOME :rolleye2:

Big congrats, Joe! Those are some nice pieds!

Nice. I just got my first pied and can not stop going into the snake room and peeking into the tub on him. Those three are beautiful.

Dynamite clutch Joe. Congrats.

Robin
H2 Exotics

that is one hell of a clutch.. congrats:gj:

Absolutely beautiful!

I've heard that there is a strain of pieds out there that always produce high white pieds. Joe, do you or anyone else know of any proof of that or is it just a marketing ploy?

holy crow those are gorgeous! congrats!

All high white. You can't beat that! Good looking pieds. :gj:

Beautiful!

Joey C! Those are the 3 hottest pieds I've seen in a while!! Congrats!
Charlie

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Originally Posted by Alice

Absolutely beautiful!

I've heard that there is a strain of pieds out there that always produce high white pieds. Joe, do you or anyone else know of any proof of that or is it just a marketing ploy?

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Low white can throw high white and high white can throw low white. Its all random. :gj:

Thanks all for the kind words.

Wowza!! :O Some awesome piebalds and all from the same clutch! :cool:

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Originally Posted by Alice

Absolutely beautiful!

I've heard that there is a strain of pieds out there that always produce high white pieds. Joe, do you or anyone else know of any proof of that or is it just a marketing ploy?

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Alice.....ask me that question in a few more seasons ;)
I'm not trying to be secretive or anything.....I just don't have a great answer for you. Do I know of a line or group of animals that ALWAYS throws high white animals? Nope. Do I think it is possible? Yep.

ALWAYS is a big word. For me to say that a pair of pieds (or a group of pieds.....which would make things easier.....and quicker;) ) ALWAYS throws high white offspring, I'd need to see numbers. Fifty is a good number to start....maybe a small number but a good one to start with....100 would be better. For a pair to pop out 50 pieds it could be 7 or 8 seasons but probably longer. A group would speed things up but still it takes time.

Right now, the amount of white sure SEEMS random.

I know it sounds ridiculous when you look at all the morphs popping out and the variety of animals for sale.......but line breeding and selective breeding is still in its infancy as far as bps are concerned. (just my opinion of course)

When it comes to pieds, Pete Kahl would really be the guy to ask. Unlike most breeders, Pete has put up the numbers when it comes to pieds.
Has he been breeding for high white or low white? If so, has he followed through a few generations? What kind of numbers? All questions that I don't know the answers to.

If you had asked me your question three or four years ago, I would have said something like, "No way......the amount of white is completely random." Because that was what I was told. Now I find myself questioning everything I thought I knew about bp genetics.:confused: I don't even think pieds are recessive anymore........but that is another can of worms. :weirdface

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Originally Posted by Joe_Compel

I don't even think pieds are recessive anymore........but that is another can of worms. :weirdface

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First, congratulations on producing such hot animals!

Second - I really want to know more about your thought on this - I'm intrigued!!!!:D

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Originally Posted by briz

Nice! Talk about high white.

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You took the words right out of my mouth! Congrats!:banana::banana:

Now thats a lot a white......Congrats Joe

WOW! I'm speechless. :tongue2: I so wish I had a pied. Congratulations! :gj:

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Originally Posted by rabernet

First, congratulations on producing such hot animals!

Second - I really want to know more about your thought on this - I'm intrigued!!!!:D

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Agreed on both points!

Very nice. Any relationship to Raul Gomez's line (either on the pied side or that "normal" female's side)?

I've often wondered if the lines of pied with more co-dominant tendencies would tend to produce higher whites. But does either the tendency to show in hets or the tendency to produce high white pieds come from variations in the pied mutation or from other genes in some lines or are they unrelated and either or both really random?

It does look like Graziani might have a fully co-dominant pied allele in the leopards but excluding those the sporadic het indicator belly in other pied lines is a very interesting can of worms.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

First, congratulations on producing such hot animals!

Second - I really want to know more about your thought on this - I'm intrigued!!!!:D

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Incomplete dominant (or maybe even semi dominant or partial dominant) might be a better fit. It might be a better fit for many morphs.

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

Very nice. Any relationship to Raul Gomez's line (either on the pied side or that "normal" female's side)?

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I'll take a look. There is a good chance that there is.
I sold him a "possible possible" het pied male years ago. (offspring from a 50% possible het pied to normal pairing.....kids now a days have it easy;) ) Wouldn't you know that he sees the project though and produces pieds from it......old school.
The dam to the pieds pictured was a "possible possible" het too. I proved her out a couple of years back. But unlike Raul, I cheated and ran a male pied to her;)
She could very well be a clutchmate to Raul's.

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

I've often wondered if the lines of pied with more co-dominant tendencies would tend to produce higher whites.

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ME TOO. That's kind of where I was going before but I don't think co-dominant is fitting.

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Originally Posted by Joe_Compel

Incomplete dominant (or maybe even semi dominant or partial dominant) might be a better fit. It might be a better fit for many morphs.

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I'm still lost! LOL :oops: