One step below a burm?

What python is one step below a burm? By that, i mean, Whats the next biggest species of python under a burm?

African Rocks would be my guess lol.

olive python

Uhh, Afrocks are known to get nearly as big as burms If I'm not mistaken. Sri lankan/ceylonese and indian pythons max around 12 ft I think.

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Originally Posted by tbowman

Uhh, Afrocks are known to get nearly as big as burms If I'm not mistaken. Sri lankan/ceylonese and indian pythons max around 12 ft I think.

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Ohh forgot about those Indian pythons lol

Scrub (amethystine) pythons get about 15ft too, but have a thinner build. Some have been known to get much larger than 15 feet. (up to 28 feet, I read :O )

I nice big female BCI would be much more readily available I think, cheaper too.

I would say African Rock. I think they are the 3rd largest snake, besides The anaconda and retic.

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Originally Posted by 4theSNAKElady

I would say African Rock. I think they are the 3rd largest snake, besides The anaconda and retic.

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He is asking for a snake one step below a Burm. You would recommend an afrock before a burm?

I take it you are wanting a burm, but are wanting some experience with larger snakes first?

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Originally Posted by Hulihzack

Scrub (amethystine) pythons get about 15ft too, but have a thinner build. Some have been known to get much larger than 15 feet. (up to 28 feet, I read :O )

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Kinghorni, the really big scrub species, are extremely rare in captivity, bar-necks which are more common are quite smaller than kinghornis.

back on topic, +1 on indian pythons.

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Originally Posted by tbowman

I take it you are wanting a burm, but are wanting some experience with larger snakes first?

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Well, my friend has been letting me "Baby sit" his 09 albino burm for a while and said if i want it i can have him... But i dont feel comfortable keeping a burm in New York without a permit... I mean, i feel very comfortable handling a 100+ lbs snake, but would rather have a large snake i dont need to have a permit for...

To make my question more specific... If anyone can give suggestions that dont include the following snakes....

As of March 15, 2005 New York State increased the list of banned species that private owners are allowed to possess without special permits. Listed below are the current list of regulated animals.

Snakes
All venomous species as determined by the DEC
Burmese Python (Python m. bivittatus)
Reticulated Python (Python reticulatus)
African Rock Python (Python sabae)
Green Anaconda (Eunectes maurinus)
Yellow Anaconda (Eunectes notaeus)
Australian Amethystine Python (Morelia amethistina and Morelia kinghorni)
Indian Python (Python molurus)

Pretty much knocked all the big ones out of the park. How do you get the permit?

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Originally Posted by tbowman

Pretty much knocked all the big ones out of the park. How do you get the permit?

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Im not sure... Im on the NYSDEC website now.. I cant find anything on how to get a permit.. I did however find out some info on the regulated reptiles page (From the Western New York Herpetological Society).... The link to the page is here:http://exoticpets.about.com/gi/dynam...ese-python.php

They do make this statement VERY clear though...
"The DEC is not actively searching for these banned animals. The last thing the overworked and understaffed DEC needs is another law to enforce, however law enforcement officers in New York State will be required to enforce the law if a complaint is filed. Complaints will most likely be filed as a result of a bite, a domestic dispute or a flagrant violation."

I mean, if i did keep a burm, there would never be a complaint filed.. I have very good (Family oriented) neighbors who are aware and love my reptile keeping hobby.. And the snake is going to be in professionally made enclosures all its life... With lots of secure locks... And will only be taken out IN my house, and never brought into public... So i mean, do you think i could keep one without the permit?

If that's the case maybe pick up a female blood. They don't get nearly as long as burms, but can be huge in girth.

I'm looking too. I'll let you know if I find anything.

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Originally Posted by waltah!

If that's the case maybe pick up a female blood. They don't get nearly as long as burms, but can be huge in girth.

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Yea, i was just thinking about them... If i can't keep a burm, im probably going to go with a Female Red Blood...

There has got to be a way to get a permit lol.

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Originally Posted by tbowman

There has got to be a way to get a permit lol.

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Im looking on http://www.dec.ny.gov/ ... This is where you'd obtain a permit, but i cant find anything on permits for regulated reptiles....

Edit: Okay got to this page which seems to be getting closer to what im looking for.. Im not sure if im just not seeing anything for burms or if there is nothing there: http://www.dec.ny.gov/permits/359.html

There's blackheaded pythons, a nice mid-sized species, but you might need to go rob a bank first.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

There's blackheaded pythons, a nice mid-sized species, but you might need to go rob a bank first.

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hmm... What banks are the easiest?

That really makes me mad about not being able to own any of those species in New York. There goes any thoughts of ever living there. But the whole country will be that way soon enough. Why don't all the herpers on earth just move to an island and keep anything we want? - responsible herpers that is.

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Originally Posted by tbowman

That really makes me mad about not being able to own any of those species in New York. There goes any thoughts of ever living there. But the whole country will be that way soon enough. Why don't all the herpers on earth just move to an island and keep anything we want? - responsible herpers that is.

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I know right? :tears::tears::tears:And WHY NEW YORK????? :tears::tears::tears: I can understand why they wouldnt allow them in city limits, but why are they not allowed outside the city? These laws make NO sense...

There was a guy around here, who in 1983. One of his tigers killed his two year old child. And nothing really happened. In 2004 they confiscated his animals becuase it was "A nuisance to the public". This was like 10 minutes from my house.http://lists.envirolink.org/pipermai...07/025763.html

Edit: Real Tiger. Not a Tiger Retic.

Macklots Pythons and Olive Pythons are both good.

Why don't you go for a bateater (that's is if you can find one :P). I think they are very cool they a supposed to be a hybrid snake between a burm and retic. So technically you can keep them in NY since they are a hybrid and not classified as a brum or retic sub/species.

Here is a pic of one.
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c.../bateater2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...s/bateater.jpg

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Originally Posted by rareballer

So technically you can keep them in NY since they are a hybrid and not classified as a brum or retic sub/species.

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Hm... Good thinking... How would any law enforcement know its a hybrid or not in the first place? Can't i just say that the burm i would keep is like a burm hybrid or something? lol