first babys of the season hatched!!!!!!!!!!

so this is our first babys this year to hatch, and this clutch started off pretty ruff to say the least! it was a fire male and mojave male breed to a first year normal female, she laid 9 eggs, but unfortinatly 3 eggs were slugs, then one egg died off about two weeks into incubation, BUT then yesterday they hatched and it wasnt bad odds, 2.1 mojaves 1.0 fire and 1.0 normal,

first pic is a group shot off the whole clutch!!!!!!!!!
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...6/dsc01576.jpg
heres the mojaves!!!!
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...6/dsc01580.jpg
heres the fire male WOW!!!!
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...6/dsc01599.jpg
and the fire belly!!
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...6/dsc01592.jpg

thanks for looking i will post again after sheds!!!!!!!!!:D

that fire really looks like a pastel, are u sure no pastel was bred to her?

beautiful snakes. :gj:

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Originally Posted by JHB Reptiles

that fire really looks like a pastel, are u sure no pastel was bred to her?

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yeah positive its her first year and the only snakes that where any where near her was the fire and mojave, and i felt the same way but there is just no chance but he does look like a pastel in the pic but in person it look more like a fire!!!!

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Originally Posted by JHB Reptiles

that fire really looks like a pastel, are u sure no pastel was bred to her?

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I agree, that is a pastel and not a fire.

He looks like my lemon pastel when I first got it, he was about 1 month old. The orange color will fade into a lemon color and get a bit duller. But I guess all hatchlings get duller. He is a little more than 2 months now.

I hope for you that I am not right, But thats my expirience with my lemon pastel :)

any pics of the dad?

Whatever the morph is they've turned out beautifully. Congrats!

This is a pic of one of my fire hatchlings from this year to give you an idea.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...s/IMG_1679.jpg

Congrats, nice babies

Gorgous looking babies and not bad odds with the hatchlings :0)

Aww, cute little things! Congrats on the beautiful babies!:gj:

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Originally Posted by briz

I agree, that is a pastel and not a fire.

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wow your telling me what my snake is, sorry bro but i have been doing this for a long time, and if i only breed a fire and a mojave to a first year female then what else would he be, its clearly not a mojave!!!

and heres a pic of the fire dad!!!!!! and when he was born he looked yellow aswell, and hes one of the best looking fires i have seen, straight from Bob Clark and Davies
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...6/dsc01374.jpg

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Originally Posted by Oroborous

Aww, cute little things! Congrats on the beautiful babies!:gj:

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thanks!!!!

I don't know one from another, but they're all beautiful! In that first shot of all 5, what is the one at the top (pointing North, LOL!)? That's my fave. :)

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Originally Posted by Patricia

I don't know one from another, but they're all beautiful! In that first shot of all 5, what is the one at the top (pointing North, LOL!)? That's my fave. :)

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thats a mojave, and yeah thats my favorite too!!! shes a female and shes goregous!!!!!!!!!!:D

lol so it's safe to say your female wasn't sneakin' 'round :D. That fire dad is hot

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Originally Posted by llovelace

lol so it's safe to say your female wasn't sneakin' 'round :D. That fire dad is hot

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exactly!! im a over protective dad of my teenage girl lol !!!!!!!!!!:D

Awesome clutch!! what happened with that super cinn clutch?

Your Fire breeder male is nice indeed. :) I would suggest you hold back the "Fire" hatchling -- if you try and sell it as a Fire you might run into some marketing problems. :colbert: Wishing it is a Fire does not make so -- it IS a Pastel -- but what do I know????;):D

That'd be a Pastel. Nice babies :)

Is it possible that your mojave breeder male is a pastave?

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Originally Posted by Bill Buchman

Your Fire breeder male is nice indeed. :) I would suggest you hold back the "Fire" hatchling -- if you try and sell it as a Fire you might run into some marketing problems. :colbert: Wishing it is a Fire does not make so -- it IS a Pastel -- but what do I know????;):D

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Bil i respect your opinion greatly and im planing on keeping it anyway, and if it is a pastel which im open to the idea it definitly looks like one, how could this happen, the mojave is just a plain mojave aswell as the fire, and those are the only ones who breed her i promiss you that!!!

does anyone have pastave hatchling pics!!

I AM coming from a place of "helping" not "hating"! :) First, I would think that the girl could have retained some sperm if she has been bred before -- are you sure she is a virgin?

Second, the Mojave could be carrying a second gene(Pastel). Mark suggested he could be a Pastave? Some Pastaves can be visually subtle as adults. Either is possible. I would go with the female retention first. Has the Mojave bred any other girls this season? I would keep an eye out for Pastels in his clutches.

Good luck -- having a Pastave male is a nice problem to have. :gj:

this is a pic of the mojave dad as a baby if this helps!!!!!!!!!
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...6/DSC00127.JPG

and im telling you this female is a snake i raised from a baby and there has not been a pastel near her

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Originally Posted by SUPERBALLS

wow your telling me what my snake is, sorry bro but i have been doing this for a long time, and if i only breed a fire and a mojave to a first year female then what else would he be, its clearly not a mojave!!!

and heres a pic of the fire dad!!!!!! and when he was born he looked yellow aswell, and hes one of the best looking fires i have seen, straight from Bob Clark and Davies

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First I have been in it since 96 with in break in 01-03, so I'm far from new. Secondly, I'm not the only one to say pastel. And I never asked to see pics of your breeder fire or it's history. If I am breeding fires and hatching fires I think I can tell a fire hatchling from a pastel. You want to be offended that is fine, but wasn't meant to offend you, but I'm also not going to sit by while you act like I don't know a pastel from a fire.

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Originally Posted by briz

First I have been in it since 96 with in break in 01-03, so I'm far from new. Secondly, I'm not the only one to say pastel. And I never asked to see pics of your breeder fire or it's history. If I am breeding fires and hatching fires I think I can tell a fire hatchling from a pastel. You want to be offended that is fine, but wasn't meant to offend you, but I'm also not going to sit by while you act like I don't know a pastel from a fire.

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never said you didnt know the difference, im saying i bred the snakes and i know the history, and clearly i know what a fire is too, considering mine are very nice fires and have been BEL proven breeders!!! i geuss im just a little stumped on how this happened, and congrats for being in the biz so long you should have quite the collection!!!!

does anyone think any of my mojaves could possiblly be pastave!!!

heres a current pic of the mojave dad!!!! not the best pic he looks more yellow in person!!
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...6/dsc01334.jpg

well dad definetly looks like a regular ol' mojave. No doubt about that. This is definetly interesting

Also not doubting anything but what does mom look like? Read your pm too btw and replied.

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Also not doubting anything but what does mom look like? Read your pm too btw and replied.

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shes definitly a normal

I say wait until the baby 'fire/pastel' grows up and see what it looks like later on..

Very nice odds though!

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

I say wait until the baby 'fire/pastel' grows up and see what it looks like later on..

Very nice odds though!

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yeah thats what im going to do!! thanks