Smallest breeding male?

I know a lot of people attempt to breed some of their males when they are ready and others wait for certain weights to be reached.

When they are ready they are ready...

So what is your smallest breeding male?

my cinnimon started breeding at 350 grams but most of mine didnt show interest untill 500ish grams

My male YB was a whopping 360g when he made his first lock to my 1700g normal.

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My YB male was in the 375g range when he started locking up.

Marc Mandic said he had a 12 week old male breeding for him on Reptile Radio, and I think Jas Balls had some males breeding at about 250g if I remember right. I know BT has had a lot of success with young males, too.

12 weeks old. :O

That is just crazy!

The smallest one I have seen really go for it is about 450-500, but I have only tried to breed two males :)

I find it helps to show young ball males old baywatch videos; this usually gets them going earlier.

O_o @ Brandon lol . I would highly suggest waiting until around 500 grams as I have heard of several cases of stressing the males out big time. And I would never want to take a chance hurting my males, you kinda will need them in the future =P

you need an option past 600g. My smallest was 800+g. I thought you were not supposed to breed them b4 this size.
If people have had this much success I may try my mojave with my norm girl. He will be a year old by june so maybe by spring he will be good to go.:please:

Been there, done that..... I've bred plenty of males that were around the 300g range and they bred just fine. However, I've also had problems with a few of them shutting down on feeding. It's not uncommon for breeding males to forget all about food and it's not a problem with larger males, but with 300 gram males there isn't a lot of wiggle room in case they start losing weight. Although I haven't lost any yet, I have heard of other people losing males that they started breeding very small. However there is one that I had to start force feeding when he started rapidly losing weight and was looking very thin and getting weak. These days I'd rather wait at least until the next season. I guess I'm just not in that big of a hurry anymore.

i have plenty of males breeding, but the 2 that count are my het russo white diamond at 430 and mojave at 500, neither of them are locking with my female 2300g =[ no bels this year, im working on the savannah though (mojoxcinny)

right now my smallest is just over 500 grams and has locked 3 times already. My other males are 750 grams and just over 1000. The only ones that havent locked yet with females are the 1000 gram mojave and the 420 gram black back cinny. But then again those last two were just paired up. So ill give them a few days.

Well I can finally comment! My male just locked for me a couple days ago. He's 450 grams on a good day. We'll see if he makes any pretty babies! Since he's so small I haven't been putting him with the female very often. I've been doing three days on, two weeks off. I've been pairing since November fist and this was his first lock.

My lemon blast is around 475 and just locked up with my spider female for the first time last night, hes back locked with her again right now :rolleyes:. Its his 3rd 3 day stretch with her. hes been going in three days on one off, and taking a medium mouse everytime he gets a break so no breeding=feeding issues here :gj:

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

12 weeks old. :O

That is just crazy!

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Yeah. Lucky stiffs! I have a pastel male that would refuse to even LOOK at a female till this year, at 1500+g!:weirdface Geez, what a lazy bum. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by 4theSNAKElady

Yeah. Lucky stiffs! I have a pastel male that would refuse to even LOOK at a female till this year, at 1500+g!:weirdface Geez, what a lazy bum. :rolleyes:

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You want mine? Zoltan would breed a paper towel tube if I let him. :)

For those breeding at 400g. (and I have but did not get babes due to the stress of the fire last year, the female reabsorbed)

I would be interested though in seeing people's success rates with young males. They may be breeding at 400g, but are you getting babes and at what ratio? I.e. are they fertilizing the entire clutch, are you getting more slugs, are you pairing more often...

Enquiring minds want to know.

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Originally Posted by Bruce Whitehead

You want mine? Zoltan would breed a paper towel tube if I let him. :)

For those breeding at 400g. (and I have but did not get babes due to the stress of the fire last year, the female reabsorbed)

I would be interested though in seeing people's success rates with young males. They may be breeding at 400g, but are you getting babes and at what ratio? I.e. are they fertilizing the entire clutch, are you getting more slugs, are you pairing more often...

Enquiring minds want to know.

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Those are some good questions, i would believe that to hope to get the same success rate you would have to pair more. my male pastel is around 800 grams and his sperm plugs are far bigger than my lemonblasts. If he knocks my spider up I will be able to answer that question, atleast for this breeding. I would also be more inclined to reduce the number of females a smaller male is paired with to increase chances.

My pastel male bred 3 girls this year and he was 290 grams at the time and produced 12 pastels out of 18 eggs. 2 clutches of 7 and one of 4

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Originally Posted by Bruce Whitehead

You want mine? Zoltan would breed a paper towel tube if I let him. :)

For those breeding at 400g. (and I have but did not get babes due to the stress of the fire last year, the female reabsorbed)

I would be interested though in seeing people's success rates with young males. They may be breeding at 400g, but are you getting babes and at what ratio? I.e. are they fertilizing the entire clutch, are you getting more slugs, are you pairing more often...

Enquiring minds want to know.

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BG thinks a lot of people are mistaking "locks" for "wraps". Plenty of young males will "wrap". BG sees it all the time, but most small males don't have the equipment to do the job yet. Some do though, but there is a big difference between a "lock" and a tail "wrap".

I have had a few young/small males breed successfully -- but more that have NOT. ;)

In 08, I had a 450 gram 6 month old CH project male breed 4 BIG normal girls to produce clutches of 6, 5, 7, 8 eggs -- to prove his gene dominant. He is still alive and well. In fact, he is breeding the best feeding of his 08 daughters to prove a super this year.

It has been my "limited experience" that about 40% of young males breed like a ROCKSTAR and 60% DO NOT!! :colbert:

There are very few the "dabble" with the girls -- no in between. :cool:

Since females tend to be bred at around 1500g, I would try to make my males around 500 just for size comparison, I wouldn't want my male to be too small when breeding with a larger female.

My male fire diddn't show any interest untill he hit 1200g. This year is his first season, but he's goin and goin! He is now 1450g and has bred to three girls, ranging from 1700g to 2500g

We have a male Cinnie that is producing plugs and he is about 330-350g

I really need males like yours . . . :O

I have an 800g lesser platy that started producing plugs 400g and a 618g Carmel male that's a proven breeder. I give the smaller boys a good break in between. And I also don't give them too may girls. Like the Carmel male was given 1 female. And the lesser platty has 2 girls. My lesser platy is a bomb eater as well so he's been doing really good eating tho the season. Where as the Carmel male has been really picky for me since I got him so I'm trying to keep him on the food to get the weight. But I've seen successful locks and the Carmel proved out with a full successful clutch. He's a bit older than the lesser this will be the lessers first yr.

I've got a 450 gram 2009 pied male here that's producing plugs, but he's just SO small. He's got plenty of length? But he's skinny--he only eats hoppers and small mice, and only every other week. I've got two 2010 females that are fatter than he is.

So I'm waiting until next year to use him. Hopefully he'll put on some weight before then

Also, I dunno. I do still house some of my ball pythons together, so I'm a fine one to talk, but I kind of get paranoid about pairing two snakes when one of them is small enough to fit neatly inside of the other. What if she wants a post-coital snack? What if she accidentally yawns and swallows him? Yikes.

Last year was cycling a 700 gram Cinnamon and 270 gram Fire with a Female blond pastel. Got 6 eggs and out of those eggs came 0.1 blond pastel, 1.1 fires, 0.2 normals, and the twins 2.0 firefly. Not a single Cinnamon or pewter, so I think the smaller little dude did all the work.

Good lord 270g! That's one powerful little man. I was a little wary on my lesser platy. He seems to be quite the stud though.

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Originally Posted by Gloryhound

Last year was cycling a 700 gram Cinnamon and 270 gram Fire with a Female blond pastel. Got 6 eggs and out of those eggs came 0.1 blond pastel, 1.1 fires, 0.2 normals, and the twins 2.0 firefly. Not a single Cinnamon or pewter, so I think the smaller little dude did all the work.

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Wow. Wishing you many more. 270g smallest I've heard.

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Originally Posted by fredanthony

Wow. Wishing you many more. 270g smallest I've heard.

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It was luck. We like to introduce our boys normally a season earlier than we expect them to go, just for the exposure. We have found better luck and earlier lock ups in the years we do expect them to go by doing this. I will say we also closely monitor them and make sure they don't skip more than a meal or two. If they do start to skip meals they get pulled from breeding and moved to a separate room with no females around until they start eating again.

400 gram male.. :D
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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

400 gram male.. :D
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Love this pic!!!!!! It reminds me of a little dog :hump: someones leg! lol

Normal Female 3,600 gms. with a Killer bee male 450 gms. :gj:
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