Zebrabee Confusion

Alright, so my goal is to come out with a zebra bee in the end. (Axanthic Killerbee) Now I need help with the genetics.
Step 1) breed |Pastel x Spider| and hope for that 25% of a bumblebee
2) breed |Bumblebee x Pastel| (what is the percent of this because a punnett square will not work on this, will it?)
3) okay, now lets say now you have a Killerbee. would I breed |Killerbee Axanthic|? I think that would make a killerbee het axanthic because axanthic is recessive.
4) now you just breed |Killerbee het. axanthic x Axanthic| you should have a chance at a Zebra bee.

PLEASE correct anything that is wrong that you see. Also, if anyone has the knowledge, would you please teach me how to figure the percents by using a punnett square or whatever else you use. And if you are unable to teach me that, at least tell me the percents at each level.

Thanksx48648638489 :),
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You would have to breed the Killerbee het. Axanthic to either a Pastel Axanthic or Super Pastel Axanthic. Both parents need to carry the pastel gene.

If you breed pastel x spider you get 25% bees. Then you breed a bee to an axanthix and any bees you get from there would be het axanthic. If you bred that babies together either bee het axanthic to pastel het axanthic or bee het axanthic (x2) together.

both parents have to carry the pastel gene(either het pastel aka regular pastel, or homozygous pastel aka super pastel)

Both parents have to carry the axanthic gene(either het axanthic or visual axanthic)

At least one parent has to carry the spider gene.

There are multiple possible pairings that would produce an axanthic killerbee.

Never heard of a Zebra bee. You do know that there is already a Zebra Pastel that was produced several years ago? Very pretty animal produced by Steve Roussis. Here is a link... http://www.roussisreptiles.com/colle...a_pastels.html

It could be confusing if he were to ever cross that with a spider.

As far as working out the punnet square, remember you're working with three traits. Your goal animal would be homozygous axanthic, homozygous pastel and spider all rolled up into one right? I believe that if you bred a het axanthic pastel with a het axanthic bumblebee you'd have about a 1 in 24 chance of producing what you are looking for.

Pastel Het Axanthic x Bumblebee Het Axanthic will yield you what you want, but you must be patient, that is quite the combo. And you will need to remember to make your sacrifices for the Odds Gods. :gj:

Or just buy one from NERD for 10k and be done with it :D

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ava...&cat=45&page=1

EDIT: looks like someone already bought it :cool:

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Originally Posted by FIREball

Or just buy one from NERD for 10k and be done with it :D

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ava...&cat=45&page=1

EDIT: looks like someone already bought it :cool:

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:rofl:

Just buy a bumblebee male and an axanthic female, hope for a pastel het axanthic female and a bumblebee het axanthic male, raise them up and boom, possible killerbee axanthic ..

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

Pastel Het Axanthic x Bumblebee Het Axanthic will yield you what you want, but you must be patient, that is quite the combo. And you will need to remember to make your sacrifices for the Odds Gods. :gj:

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What would you recommend sacrificing? lol
Alright so I would need to breed a killerbee het axanthic to a pastel axanthic to have a 1 in 24 chance?
Could someone please explain the punnett squares or otherwise behind this?
Thanks,

You would need at least bumblee het axanthic x pastel het axanthic. If you were you use a killer be het axanthic and a pastel het axanthic it would increase your odds.

http://www.changbioscience.com/genetics/punnett.html

Go there and for parents put

PpAaSs x PpAass

P = Pastel
p = normal
A = Axanthic
a = normal
S = Spider
s = normal

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Originally Posted by Kevin_Hornby

http://www.changbioscience.com/genetics/punnett.html

Go there and for parents put

PpAaSs x PpAass

P = Pastel
p = normal
A = Axanthic
a = normal
S = Spider
s = normal

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Thanks!

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Never heard of a Zebra bee. You do know that there is already a Zebra Pastel that was produced several years ago? Very pretty animal produced by Steve Roussis. Here is a link... http://www.roussisreptiles.com/colle...a_pastels.html

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:O omg! i waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaant one!!!

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Never heard of a Zebra bee. You do know that there is already a Zebra Pastel that was produced several years ago? Very pretty animal produced by Steve Roussis. Here is a link... http://www.roussisreptiles.com/colle...a_pastels.html

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Steve's zebra pastels are amazing. Hopefully he can actually produce some this year. I e-mailed him a while ago asking about them and at the time he hadn't successfully hatched any.

good luck!!! seems like alot of hoping for this guy

My post was a bit rushed yesterdya, so here it is, the best way IMO and quickest way to produce one from scratch.

Bumblebee male x axanthic female - 25% pastel, 25% spider, 25%normal & 25% bumblebee all 100% het axanthic

hold back male bumblebee het axanthic and a pastel het axanthic, raise the male bumblebee axanthic up and then do

bumblebee het axanthic male x axanthic female - 25% bumblebee, 25% pastel, 25% spider and 25% normal - 50% of which will be axanthics.

hope and pray for a male bumblebee axanthic and then do

bumblebee axanthic x pastel het axanthic - 12.5% killerbee, 12.5% super pastel, 25% pastel 25%, bumblebee 25%spider, 50% off the clutch will also be axanthics.

I hope i got that right! lol

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Originally Posted by nelson77321

My post was a bit rushed yesterdya, so here it is, the best way IMO and quickest way to produce one from scratch.

Bumblebee male x axanthic female - 25% pastel, 25% spider, 25%normal & 25% bumblebee all 100% het axanthic

hold back male bumblebee het axanthic and a pastel het axanthic, raise the male bumblebee axanthic up and then do

bumblebee het axanthic male x axanthic female - 25% bumblebee, 25% pastel, 25% spider and 25% normal - 50% of which will be axanthics.

hope and pray for a male bumblebee axanthic and then do

bumblebee axanthic x pastel het axanthic - 12.5% killerbee, 12.5% super pastel, 25% pastel 25%, bumblebee 25%spider, 50% off the clutch will also be axanthics.

I hope i got that right! lol

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And everything you get from the bolded pairings that didn't show Axanthic will be 100% Het Axanthic as well. :gj:

I would say an efficient way to produce one, assuming your budget was about $800 per year, would be something like this:

2009 - Buy Axanthic Female
2010 - Buy Pastel het Axanthic male
2011 - Buy Bumblebee male (breed pastel het axanthic male to axanthic female, hold back 2012 female pastel het axanthics and pastel axanthics)
2012 - Breed Bumblebee male to axanthic female (Hold all 2013 bee het axanthics, pray for a boy)
2013 - Breed whatever you want to your axanthic female (enchi? pin?)
2014 - Breed 2013 bumblebee het axanthic male to 2012 pastel axanthic and pastel het axanthic females. Sacrifice jumbo rats to BP gods.
2015 - Hatch Killerbee Axanthic, throw big party, invite BP.net crew.

:)

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Never heard of a Zebra bee. You do know that there is already a Zebra Pastel that was produced several years ago? Very pretty animal produced by Steve Roussis. Here is a link... http://www.roussisreptiles.com/colle...a_pastels.html

It could be confusing if he were to ever cross that with a spider.

As far as working out the punnet square, remember you're working with three traits. Your goal animal would be homozygous axanthic, homozygous pastel and spider all rolled up into one right? I believe that if you bred a het axanthic pastel with a het axanthic bumblebee you'd have about a 1 in 24 chance of producing what you are looking for.

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That is smoking hot :cool:

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Originally Posted by m00kfu

Steve's zebra pastels are amazing. Hopefully he can actually produce some this year. I e-mailed him a while ago asking about them and at the time he hadn't successfully hatched any.

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I thought he had produced the originals? Were those imports or something?

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Originally Posted by MarkS

I thought he had produced the originals? Were those imports or something?

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I was under the impression that they were imported, but I could very well be wrong about that. That's something that I didn't ask. When I asked about them he had mentioned that he'd gotten one clutch of eggs from the female that went bad and then she didn't go the next year. I would think that if he had produced them, he would have done that same pairing the past couple years to make more?