Woma vs Spider

So basically I have the opportunity to get a great deal on either of these snakes. I like spiders more, but womas are beautiful too. I was wondering how explored womas are, in terms of genetics and morphs? I don't see many morphs with them even though they are codom. I know that they have chances to throw some amazing morphs out, but the odds aren't in my favor, I'm sure. The spider isn't going to cost me much more, and the promise of bees down the road is an exiting prospect! What would you guys do?

I could be mistaken because it isn't a morph I've been interested in getting soon, so I haven't paid really close attention to the prices, but I thought womas usually cost more than spiders.

They are fairly close to each other from what I've seen. Womas sit around 400, while Spiders are 350-450. I don't see many womas around at all.

I'd go with womas, they're really pretty even though they're not as obvious but the combos are really cool looking and there's less of them around

I'd pick the woma but first look at both animals and pick the cleanest one without any spots.

Womas are great because the carry the hidden gene that is great in combos. However not all womas carry the hidden gene and essentially produce reduced pattern combos that don't have much wow factor IMO.

If you were going to buy a woma I would get one from directly from NERD with the hidden gene. Then again you won't be paying 400 for it...

Womas that do NOT have the hidden gene are less than spiders. Womas that DO have the hidden gene, will cost considerably more than spiders. I'm holding out for a hidden gene woma.

My hopes that it would be a hidden gene woma, but in all likelyhood its not, being that its not a NERD line woma, as far as I know.

I guess I am all by myself on this one but I say get a spider :gj:

Question: If the hidden gene is hidden.... how do you know if any particular snake carries it?

I would think a Woma produced from a line that carries the gene would only have a chance at carrying it, not a guarantee?

Can someone explain this?

I'm not exactly positive on the genetics of the hidden gene and how its passed on...the ones I've seen for sale are the actual combo morphs that can only be expressed when the hidden gene is present. For example the oh so beautiful Inferno...*sigh*

Other than that the only mention I heard was Kevin from NERD talking on Reptile Radio about how only a certain line of woma they work with has the hidden gene.

All I know is the YBxWoma combo is sweet! I like em both...tough choice.

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Originally Posted by Spaniard

I'm not exactly positive on the genetics of the hidden gene and how its passed on...the ones I've seen for sale are the actual combo morphs that can only be expressed when the hidden gene is present. For example the oh so beautiful Inferno...*sigh*

Other than that the only mention I heard was Kevin from NERD talking on Reptile Radio about how only a certain line of woma they work with has the hidden gene.

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I've heard it mentioned that NERD's womas carrying the hidden gene have a specific marker that isn't shown by regular womas.

id get both lol... but i would go for a woma i like the way thier combos come out better...

I second the spider I love the bee!!!

If bumble bees are a main immediate goal of yours, then go for a spider. I like what the woma brings to a lot of combos, and I don't like the fact that the spider gene over powers a lot of other mutations, but I've always wanted a bee, so I went with the spider first. It all depends on what your goals are.

Woma. :gj:

I already have a spider but I have a special place in my heart for big female womas! So yeah Woma.

cant get this with a woma.....
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r...h/DSC04364.jpg

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Originally Posted by tims balls

cant get this with a woma.....
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And there a number of morphs you can't get with a spider ;) (You also can't get a not wobbling snake with spider in it)

Well, turns out the woma is a male, and the spider a female, if that helps at all. The female spider defiantly fits into my plans a little more, but I'm not apposed to wannabees down the road. minimum, like 4 years for those, though.

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Originally Posted by AaronP

And there a number of morphs you can't get with a spider ;) (You also can't get a not wobbling snake with spider in it)

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well, apparently you can because neither my spider nor my killer have wobbles.

The OP wants bees, so I posted her to show how awesome they can be. Womas suck IMO, go with the spider

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Originally Posted by tims balls

well, apparently you can because neither my spider nor my killer have wobbles.

The OP wants bees, so I posted her to show how awesome they can be. Womas suck IMO, go with the spider

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I hate how people always say all spiders have wobbles. This is not true and the snake can grow out of it.

I have personally never seen a woma morph that i have liked.

Spiders all the way hands down. :bow:

Easy Tim, I purchased a pair of womas this year and they don't suck. But I'll side with you on the fact that my bumble bee don't wobble.
Well, back to the original post, I'd recommend getting the spider female. Looks like you could use another future egg layer.

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Easy Tim, I purchased a pair of womas this year and they don't suck. But I'll side with you on the fact that my bumble bee don't wobble.
Well, back to the original post, I'd recommend getting the spider female. Looks like you could use another future egg layer.

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I will withdraw my comment that womas suck just on the fact that I have never owned one. Spiders still rock.

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Originally Posted by kc261

Question: If the hidden gene is hidden.... how do you know if any particular snake carries it?

I would think a Woma produced from a line that carries the gene would only have a chance at carrying it, not a guarantee?

Can someone explain this?

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My understanding is that the hidden gene woma's have specific visual markers, while the ones without the hidden gene do not. I do not know what those markers are.

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Originally Posted by Pulcher

I hate how people always say all spiders have wobbles. This is not true and the snake can grow out of it.

I have personally never seen a woma morph that i have liked.

Spiders all the way hands down. :bow:

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Not even the Woma Lesser?

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...ll-python.html

And I personally believe that all spiders have a degree of wobbling, from barely detectable all the way to trainwrecks.

All three of mine wobbled quite a bit as babies, and if I put them in your hands today, you'd swear that they are non-wobblers. But watch them late at night, exploring their enclosures, and they all have "quirky" movements that are unique to them, that none of my other animals display.

I hate more that people have vilified the wobble, instead of educating people that it does exist, that it's not life threatening in 99% of the cases and if you love spiders, it's part of what adds personality to the spider gene.

Just the slight head tilt to the side that you see in many spider pictures, like a puppy looking with its head turned at an angle at you is a very, very minimal expression of the spider wobble, IMHO.

Robin,

Those woma lessers on NERD, are they regular womas? Or do you need the hidden gene for Woma x Lesser to be expressed like that? If thats what happens without the hidden gene then I eat my words on saying they don't produce combos with a wow factor.

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Originally Posted by Boanerges

I guess I am all by myself on this one but I say get a spider :gj:

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I third this. Spider!

Womas have some cool combos, but IMO do not look that great by themselves. Spiders look awesome by themselves, and have awesome combos...

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Originally Posted by Spaniard

Robin,

Those woma lessers on NERD, are they regular womas? Or do you need the hidden gene for Woma x Lesser to be expressed like that? If thats what happens without the hidden gene then I eat my words on saying they don't produce combos with a wow factor.

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I would also take back my comment about womas if this is just a normal woma x lesser breeding. But knowing NERD this is probaly a hidden gene woma x lesser.

I still have yet to see a good woma combo.

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Originally Posted by Spaniard

Robin,

Those woma lessers on NERD, are they regular womas? Or do you need the hidden gene for Woma x Lesser to be expressed like that? If thats what happens without the hidden gene then I eat my words on saying they don't produce combos with a wow factor.

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I believe that they are from the hidden gene woma.

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I would also take back my comment about womas if this is just a normal woma x lesser breeding. But knowing NERD this is probaly a hidden gene woma x lesser.

I still have yet to see a good woma combo.

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I would agree that woma's without the hidden gene make combos that are less impressive than those with the hidden gene. :)

Female over male IMO. I love my spider even tho she has slight wobbles. I like some woma morphs, but the woma in general no.

I'd get a woma over a spider... Spiders are cool but then again they have the neurological issues.