New Strange Ball Python

Well today I went to Twin Cities Reptile
and got a new ball python its not a normal
its like a black back granite Ball Python
but hes for sure a reduced pattern which is awesome
gonna try to prove this guy out one day.

http://i43.tinypic.com/bhzozc.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/259vam8.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/apb5sw.jpg
http://i39.tinypic.com/25fq2bc.jpg

Don't mean to rain on your parade, but maybe next time do you think you could post pictures in focus? Interesting snake, but can't see much.......

Anyone else think normal?

That snake is cool! Definitely has some genes to pass on! Heres to him being genetic!:handshake:beer:

Ah, mr. blurry cam strikes again! just playin :P

I don't know too much about all the different morphs, especially ones that look similar to normals, but he looks similar to a normal...

NORMAL, but a different looking one.

try putting your camera on macro setting it might help =]

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Originally Posted by hawaiianice99

NORMAL, but a different looking one.

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I wouldnt have payed $145.00 for a normal from bruce dellis to

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Originally Posted by justinalbino

try putting your camera on macro setting it might help =]

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sorry man i was in a hurry to get some pictures up

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Originally Posted by BeastMaster

Don't mean to rain on your parade, but maybe next time do you think you could post pictures in focus? Interesting snake, but can't see much.......

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sure i was in a hurry to get pictures up.

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Originally Posted by hawaiianice99

NORMAL, but a different looking one.

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I WOULDN'T HAVE PAYED 145.00 for a normal and Bruce Dellis Sold me this guy saying hes unique and has unknown genes I'm lucky to have him his mom was a full blown black back ball python and his dad was reduced pattern.

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Originally Posted by DutchHerp

Anyone else think normal?

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I wouldn't pay 145.00 for a normal lol

his mom was a black back ball python and his dad was reduced pattern ball python

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Originally Posted by greenex

Ah, mr. blurry cam strikes again! just playin :P

I don't know too much about all the different morphs, especially ones that look similar to normals, but he looks similar to a normal...

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I wouldn't payed 145.00 for a normal

his mom was a black back ball python and his dad was a reduced pattern ball python.

But you DID pay 145 for a normal, granted its got more black and a more reduced pattern than some. BUT, those 2 traits alone and with the coloring on that animal, he is certainly within the NORMAL range. Now I may be wrong, and there have been threads with animals that looked like one thing, and were another. But the general concensis here says NORMAL.

I think you paid 145 bucks for a DINKER.

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Originally Posted by BerserkSleeper5

I wouldn't payed 145.00 for a normal

his mom was a black back ball python and his dad was a reduced pattern ball python.

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Originally Posted by BerserkSleeper5

I WOULDN'T HAVE PAYED 145.00 for a normal and Bruce Dellis Sold me this guy saying hes unique and has unknown genes I'm lucky to have him his mom was a full blown black back ball python and his dad was reduced pattern.

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From everything I've heard, Bruce is a great guy. But here's the question. Did he say it WAS genetic? Because to me, "unknown genes" mean it hasn't been proven yet. Which means until it HAS been proven, it really is just a fancy normal.

Definitely a Normal. But a nice one at that - good for a Dinker project.

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Originally Posted by m00kfu

From everything I've heard, Bruce is a great guy. But here's the question. Did he say it WAS genetic? Because to me, "unknown genes" mean it hasn't been proven yet. Which means until it HAS been proven, it really is just a fancy normal.

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Yea bruce is great guy but he does not know if he would be gentic

his mom was a black back and his dad was reduced pattern so who knows?

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Originally Posted by Sarin

Definitely a Normal. But a nice one at that - good for a Dinker project.

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i would not pay $145.00

his mom was a black back and his dad is a reduced pattern

something like a dinker project

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Originally Posted by 2kdime

But you DID pay 145 for a normal, granted its got more black and a more reduced pattern than some. BUT, those 2 traits alone and with the coloring on that animal, he is certainly within the NORMAL range. Now I may be wrong, and there have been threads with animals that looked like one thing, and were another. But the general concensis here says NORMAL.

I think you paid 145 bucks for a DINKER.

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AND DINKERS ARE GOOD BECAUSE HE COULD BE A UNKNOWN MORPH when bred to something but hes only 161 grams i got a while before he breeds

his mom was black back and his dad was reduced pattern

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Originally Posted by DutchHerp

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me.

Good pickup though, nothing wrong with normal BPs at all, and TCR is a great store :)

Black back is not genetic unless is is a het red axanthic I believe. There are normals out there with black backs that may or may not throw black-backed offspring, but it does not make them morphs. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that's how it goes.

Here's my "normal black back" (paid $35)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...88/NewBoy2.jpg

That being said, I really like the normal black backs. Genetic or not, you have a very pretty snake there. Congrats on the new addition and good luck with the dinker project in the future. :gj:

edit: Another thing, why are you using 2 accounts for making posts?

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Originally Posted by icygirl

Black back is not genetic unless is is a het red axanthic I believe. There are normals out there with black backs that may or may not throw black-backed offspring, but it does not make them morphs. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that's how it goes.

Here's my "normal black back" (paid $35)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...88/NewBoy2.jpg

That being said, I really like the normal black backs. Genetic or not, you have a very pretty snake there. Congrats on the new addition and good luck with the dinker project in the future. :gj:

edit: Another thing, why are you using 2 accounts for making posts?

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Sorry about the account thing it was still logged in as my friends lol

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Originally Posted by mainbutter

me.

Good pickup though, nothing wrong with normal BPs at all, and TCR is a great store :)

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its not a normal god da* i payed 145.00 for him

his mom was a black back and his dad was reduced pattern

its definatly not a normal i know what it is

I could sell you a turd dressed up in Armani, but in the end is still just a turd.

The thing is man, if you paid 145 dollars for him and you think it was worth it, then you got a good deal. But with the years of experience people on this forum have, and countless posts, a lot of us know what were talking about.

Reduced pattern and Black Backs are not known morphs. Raise him up and see what happens though, HEY, you never know. But DO NOT be disappointed if you don't hatch out the next best thing.


Best of luck to you

Yea sorry guys Hes my friend who was over and thought it was logged on his and replied. Sorry!

I have seen a few people with genetic black backs unless I'm mistaken. John Stranahan aka Jasballs, has some he works with that he produces black back albinos with. As for reduce patterns being known morphs what about Tigers? I think Casey Lasik works with those.

Are those still unproven projects?

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Originally Posted by icygirl

Black back is not genetic unless is is a het red axanthic I believe. There are normals out there with black backs that may or may not throw black-backed offspring, but it does not make them morphs. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that's how it goes.

Here's my "normal black back" (paid $35)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...88/NewBoy2.jpg

That being said, I really like the normal black backs. Genetic or not, you have a very pretty snake there. Congrats on the new addition and good luck with the dinker project in the future. :gj:

edit: Another thing, why are you using 2 accounts for making posts?

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Some blackbacks are genetic. cv exotics and jasballpythons are working with genetic blackback albinos. which make full white backs on the albinos. they are codoms I believe. Nice snake you wont know anything until you breed it.

Nice looking normal - AND, can you please not reply to every post with the same reply? You only need to say it one time, you wouldn't pay $145 for a normal, mom and dad were reduced and black back - got it!

I've got a couple of normals that look exactly like him!

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Originally Posted by BerserkSleeper5

its not a normal god da* i payed 145.00 for him

his mom was a black back and his dad was reduced pattern

its definatly not a normal i know what it is

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First - watch the language. Secondly - he's not a PROVEN genetic animal. So for all intents and purposes, he's a normal. These are also normals which are in my collection that are reduced pattern and black back:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...PretJune19.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...ReeseJune2.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...o/IMG_4911.jpg

You can be angry that you paid $145 for a normal ball python, but don't be angry at those who are trying to offer you their experienced opinion.

That's first one's ugly, Robin. You should send it over here. :P

When I hear the words, "unproven genetics" I think captive hatch. And this IS the season..

But like has been said. If you thought the price was fair and you like the snake, then you got a good deal.

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You can be angry that you paid $145 for a normal ball python, but don't be angry at those who are trying to offer you their experienced opinion.

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Thank you, couldnt have put it better myself.

You paid 145 for a NORMAL ball, with Normal parents......LOL

If you are willing to pay 145$ for a dinker and invest all the time and money....Me I prefer to spend a little more and know what I got....Hes kinda cule I guess.....

I produced some nice looking black back and reduced or speckled snakes from similar parents, but they don't really seem to be genetic. They look like yours though. Here are a few I produced.
These 2 are 08s
http://www.angelfire.com/mn3/apelila...c08a071508.jpg
These 2 are 04s. They are females and I didn't even get close to $145 each as adults.
http://www.angelfire.com/mn3/apelila...4-1-052405.JPG
http://www.angelfire.com/mn3/apelila...4-2-052405.JPG
Here's a male I tried to prove out - he's not genetic (but the dad of the above babies).
http://www.angelfire.com/mn3/apelila...ite090307a.jpg

Good luck with him. I hope he makes something interesting for you, but just because you paid $145 for him does not mean it is not a normal. I also would not really consider that snake a reduced pattern or a black back even, but that's just my opinion. If you ever get a chance to look through a few boxes of CH imports you will find hundreds that look like yours. Like I said though. Good luck. It's a nice looking snake. I just think you paid about $120 too much for him.

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Originally Posted by 2kdime

I could sell you a turd dressed up in Armani, but in the end is still just a turd.

The thing is man, if you paid 145 dollars for him and you think it was worth it, then you got a good deal. But with the years of experience people on this forum have, and countless posts, a lot of us know what were talking about.

Reduced pattern and Black Backs are not known morphs. Raise him up and see what happens though, HEY, you never know. But DO NOT be disappointed if you don't hatch out the next best thing.


Best of luck to you

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reduced pattern is gentic i hope you know that "PROVEN BY RALPH DAVIS"

It can be genetic, depending on the line...

If you have a Ralph Davis Line Reduced Pattern, then good for you!

If you don't, have fun proving him out!

good gracious, how did this one come back alive?

guess some like there thread aged 10-15 days before they resurrect it from the dead lol

Eep, :omg:

It's da zombies - run for the hills. :dead: :devil: :bolt:


dr del

What would a zombie snake eat? lol

Wait,

I know this one. :confused:

Is it;

A & B?


dr del

i lol'd at the first pic

aahmn That male is very cool lookin sorry he didnt prove out i really like his head.

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Originally Posted by kylesreptiles

aahmn That male is very cool lookin sorry he didnt prove out i really like his head.

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well as far as i know there was no mention of a successful breeding with this male so there hasn't been any attempt to see if its genetic and prove it out.

Black Back and or Reduced patterns are a trait of Normal Ball Pythons. it looks cool but usually is a just a normal variant pattern. they are not genetic as far as i know.

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well as far as i know there was no mention of a successful breeding with this male so there hasn't been any attempt to see if its genetic and prove it out.

Black Back and or Reduced patterns are a trait of Normal Ball Pythons. it looks cool but usually is a just a normal variant pattern. they are not genetic as far as i know.

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There are genetic lines of each.

Yes there are genetic lines of each. However, most pythons that may exhibit black-backed/reduced are just normals that have different style markings etc. The proven lines are particularly hard to come by genetically.

My little boy is "reduced pattern", but he is CH and it is very likely to not be genetic; who knows maybe it will prove out, but most black-backs and reduced are not genetic.

Still, its a very pretty normal.

What a brain throbbing thread..

I sold a male that looks *just* like that one a few months ago for $20. He was a gorgeous snake, but still a normal. Wish it had been a female.

Please remove the word strange from the title as it directed me to this forum...