Anyone know of these morphs?

Hey everyone,

I wanted to know if anyone has seen spider clowns or cinny clowns and if anyone has pictures would they post them? I have been looking around, but haven't found any if there even...are? Let me know, I am interested in what they'd look like. :sweeet:

i have never heard of a spider clown, and i dont know how it would look since they are both pattern morphs, and their patterns are mainly along their spines. I dont see that being a logical morph, kinda goes against having a spider or clown, but who knows:confuzd:

I thnk that there has been a cinny clown though.

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Originally Posted by hawaiianice99

i have never heard of a spider clown, and i dont know how it would look since they are both pattern morphs, and their patterns are mainly along their spines. I dont see that being a logical morph, kinda goes against having a spider or clown, but who knows:confuzd:

I thnk that there has been a cinny clown though.

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Well yes, I thought I heard of a cinny clown somwhere...and I guess the better question would have been....can you get anything out of breeding a spider and clown together that would be a new morph...possibly have a bit of looks from both or something along those lines?

i would imagine you would get spiders with the possibility of crosses since the clown is recessive. but im sure someone with the whole genetics pyramid will chime in soon.

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Originally Posted by hawaiianice99

i would imagine you would get spiders with the possibility of crosses since the clown is recessive. but im sure someone with the whole genetics pyramid will chime in soon.

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Lol, I doooooon't know....might have been too stupid of a question for them! :P

But that would make a lot more since and I didn't think about it that way! *hits self* The spider is of course dominant so I don't think they could show both in the patten :rolleyes:, you're right I'd have to say....about just getting possibly spiders het clowns or something along those lines.

If you mated a Spider and Clown you would get Spiders 100% Het Clown.

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Originally Posted by aarondm

If you mated a Spider and Clown you would get Spiders 100% Het Clown.

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Yea, sorry everyone....stupid question! lol :P :D

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Originally Posted by aarondm

If you mated a Spider and Clown you would get Spiders 100% Het Clown.

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Then if you took the "Spider Het Clown" and crossed it with a Clown, what would you get?

Thanks,
Red

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Originally Posted by redmantodd

Then if you took the "Spider Het Clown" and crossed it with a Clown, what would you get?

Thanks,
Red

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spiders and clowns, spiders would be het.

If you cross a spider het clown with a clown, you would get spiders het clown, clowns, AND clown spiders.

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Originally Posted by kc261

If you cross a spider het clown with a clown, you would get spiders het clown, clowns, AND clown spiders.

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wouldn't a clown spider be a visual spider? both are pattern morphs, clown is recessive, so spider would show, dominating the clown gene.

i'm just guessing here, btw.

As far as I am aware, no one has produced a spider clown yet, so no one knows for sure.

However, when people say that spider is dominant, they mean in relation to normal, specifically the normal gene on the spider locus. And when people say clown is recessive, they mean in relation to the normal gene on the clown locus. Unless spider and clown are on the same locus, those are 2 different normal genes, but even if they are on the same locus, it says nothing about the relationship between spider and clown.

It is very possible to have a snake display both a dominant and a recessive trait at the same time, because they are on different loci. Some examples: honey bee, albino spider, spied, etc.

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Originally Posted by kc261

As far as I am aware, no one has produced a spider clown yet, so no one knows for sure.

However, when people say that spider is dominant, they mean in relation to normal, specifically the normal gene on the spider locus. And when people say clown is recessive, they mean in relation to the normal gene on the clown locus. Unless spider and clown are on the same locus, those are 2 different normal genes, but even if they are on the same locus, it says nothing about the relationship between spider and clown.

It is very possible to have a snake display both a dominant and a recessive trait at the same time, because they are on different loci. Some examples: honey bee, albino spider, spied, etc.

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True, and good point.

however, i do wonder about the spider/clown not being produced. that might be similar to the homo spider talk, they might be there, but not reported.

on that side note, i still think that spsp x spsp would result in 100% spider... i've heard rumors of 100% spider clutches, but no incontrovertible evidence.

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Originally Posted by Coils

Hey everyone,

I wanted to know if anyone has seen spider clowns or cinny clowns and if anyone has pictures would they post them? I have been looking around, but haven't found any if there even...are? Let me know, I am interested in what they'd look like. :sweeet:

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Not sure if they've been done or not, I certain don't remember seeing any pics. They sound like they would be interesting projects. Clowns are a nice morph but I don't think a lot of mixing has been done with them yet. It's hard to visualize what a spider clown or a cinnamon clown would look like, but then again, until it's actually been produced you can't really say what any designer is going to look like. After all, who could have predicted that a yellowbelly X specter would produce a striped snake?

spider clown has been produced, i wont say anymore about it though.

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Originally Posted by nelson77321

spider clown has been produced, i wont say anymore about it though.

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Well, thats's kind of a useless post then isn't it?

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Well, thats's kind of a useless post then isn't it?

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well no i dont think so, the fact of the matter is nobody knew it had been produced, i know it does, but unless the breeder of the morph comes out and tells people then i wont reveal anymore info.

Couldn't you at least let us know who produced it, where it was produced and if you've personally seen it? And if so, what were your impressions?

was produced in europe, my first impressions i wasnt overly excited and i love clown combo's.

if you could imagine it i would say its probably 75% spider, 25% clown ...

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Originally Posted by nelson77321

was produced in europe, my first impressions i wasnt overly excited and i love clown combo's.

if you could imagine it i would say its probably 75% spider, 25% clown ...

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sure bro!!!

so that still dosent explain what it looks like, you could say a pewter looks like 50% cinnamon and 50% pastel but that dosent help does it! what does the head pattern look like or better yet how about a picture if you know them im sure they would let you post a pic, considering it would probably be the only one in the world!!

not trying to be rude but that would be a pretty huge acivement in the ball python world sense no one has seen one!

I agree it would be nice if breeders always posted the newest combos they produce. But, they are under no obligation to do so.

In both this case, and the rather infamous hullabaloo with Ian G's Panda Pied, it was not the breeder who came forward and stated that the combo had been produced.

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Originally Posted by kc261

I agree it would be nice if breeders always posted the newest combos they produce. But, they are under no obligation to do so.

In both this case, and the rather infamous hullabaloo with Ian G's Panda Pied, it was not the breeder who came forward and stated that the combo had been produced.

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good point!

Some breeders hold back the info until they can produce more, or even in some cases prove the genetics out. Otherwise if they came forward they could look really silly if when all is said and done it proved out to just be an abnormality.

Then again there are some that are just secretive. :P

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Originally Posted by kc261

If you cross a spider het clown with a clown, you would get spiders het clown, clowns, AND clown spiders.

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Originally Posted by kc261

As far as I am aware, no one has produced a spider clown yet, so no one knows for sure.

However, when people say that spider is dominant, they mean in relation to normal, specifically the normal gene on the spider locus. And when people say clown is recessive, they mean in relation to the normal gene on the clown locus. Unless spider and clown are on the same locus, those are 2 different normal genes, but even if they are on the same locus, it says nothing about the relationship between spider and clown.

It is very possible to have a snake display both a dominant and a recessive trait at the same time, because they are on different loci. Some examples: honey bee, albino spider, spied, etc.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Not sure if they've been done or not, I certain don't remember seeing any pics. They sound like they would be interesting projects. Clowns are a nice morph but I don't think a lot of mixing has been done with them yet. It's hard to visualize what a spider clown or a cinnamon clown would look like, but then again, until it's actually been produced you can't really say what any designer is going to look like. After all, who could have predicted that a yellowbelly X specter would produce a striped snake?

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Originally Posted by nelson77321

spider clown has been produced, i wont say anymore about it though.

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Thanks a ton for all your comments guys! That was more of what I was really asking, but I got all confused when I myself started talking about breeding just a spider and a clown together.

I wanted to know if you ever really could get a -spider clown-....that actually was a new morph, by combining spider hets and clowns(all that good stuff) and thanks a bunch for actually informing us that one exists.

Though I really would like to see one still! I think it might just be an interesting morph, but then again you never know what you may get.


Hopefully at some point we will all get a good look at one if it's out there.