leucistic combos

I was wondering if anyone knows of any leucistic combos other than the albino leucistic. Has anyone tried any others?

Thanks,
Kevin

I haven't even heard that an albino leucistic was done yet.

There is the pastel ivory for those who consider the Ivory's to be leucistic. It's kind of nice looking.

The Albino was called the Polar Ball

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Originally Posted by Kevin_Hornby

The Albino was called the Polar Ball

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Who made it? Got any pictures?

This is from out of no where but it is related to the topic.

Leucistic is the end of any combo right? I mean after a snake is all white, what else can you do? If anything else, it wouldn't be a Leucistic. Know what I mean? Like you cant recognize a pied Leucy, and you can't add no color/patterns to a Leucy because that would defeat the purpose of it being a Leucy, and the Leucy gene wouldn't let that happen anyway..

So Leucy is the end of the morph to me, and please correct me if proven otherwise.

Yeah but you could for example take a Yellowbelly Mojave and breed it to a Pastel Butter... technically you'll just have a white snake but you just might get lucky and that white snake carries all 4 genes which really only has an effect when you breed it out to others.

Vin Russo produced it from what i've read.http://www.cuttingedgeherp.com/nss-f...olarBallsm.jpg

This is from Vin Russo's website.

Thanks, I hadn't seen that before. It's interesting. I would imagine that is a white diamond line of leucistic?

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Originally Posted by Kevin_Hornby

Vin Russo produced it from what i've read.http://www.cuttingedgeherp.com/nss-f...olarBallsm.jpg

This is from Vin Russo's website.

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Ooooohh Would that look cool with pinstripe patterns! :gj:

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Originally Posted by Enser54

Yeah but you could for example take a Yellowbelly Mojave and breed it to a Pastel Butter... technically you'll just have a white snake but you just might get lucky and that white snake carries all 4 genes which really only has an effect when you breed it out to others.

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From what I understand, Black Eyed Leucy's and Blue Eyed will not make a white snake -- both base morphs will present. Fire Butter, Butter Yellow Belly, Fire Yellow Belly etc. :)

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Originally Posted by Bill Buchman

From what I understand, Black Eyed Leucy's and Blue Eyed will not make a white snake -- both base morphs will present. Fire Butter, Butter Yellow Belly, Fire Yellow Belly etc. :)

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But what he was saying is that the mojave and butter would combine to make a blue eyed lucy and then it carrying the pastel and yellowbelly part would just be an extra plus to the pairing.

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Originally Posted by Fearless

But what he was saying is that the mojave and butter would combine to make a blue eyed lucy and then it carrying the pastel and yellowbelly part would just be an extra plus to the pairing.

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If you hit the the odds on the BEL AND the Yellow Belly gene were also present as a third -- it would not be a "visual Leucy" (white snake only) IMHO.:)

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Originally Posted by t-Roy

Leucistic is the end of any combo right? I mean after a snake is all white, what else can you do?

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Leucistics, especially considering to date the fact they're all super forms of co-doms, are more valuable for their breeding potential (ability to throw 100% carrier offspring) than for their potential for more complex Leucistic morphs. Sure the super form costs a little more, but in the long run statistical certainty is worth the initial outlay.

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Originally Posted by ctrlfreq

Leucistics, especially considering to date the fact they're all super forms of co-doms, are more valuable for their breeding potential (ability to throw 100% carrier offspring) than for their potential for more complex Leucistic morphs. Sure the super form costs a little more, but in the long run statistical certainty is worth the initial outlay.

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I understand what you're saying.... but I still don't get why all the hype for the leucy.

Like stated above, it is an end all to morphs. There aren't any combinations (other than the polar ball) that are known to exist. So other than the fact that they produce 100% Butters, Vin Russos, Fires, Mojaves, Yellowbellys, Lessers, etc the Homozygous form doesn't provide an outreach to more designer morphs.

I own a Yellowbelly and want to breed it to produce an Ivory, for the fact of having an all white snake, but not for furthering the morph collection capabilities.

Actually the lucy form would be perfect for combos.. as long as it's one parent, and not two. If a lesser/lesser lucy was used as one parent.. then all offspring would be lesser + other parent, so it makes it easier to make designer combos, very useful

But I think you mean making something that is lucy + other.. which would be neat genetically.. but visually it's liable to be another all white snake, instead of something new and cool looking.

See what i'm curious about is, what have people tried? Has anyone done a pied lucy? A pin lucy? anything other than albino. I mean maybe you'd get a pied with a white head or something?

RDR made a lesser pied which was (to paraphrase him) the whitest snake ever. I can not imagine that a BluEL/pied would be anything different in that regard.

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Originally Posted by asplundii

RDR made a lesser pied which was (to paraphrase him) the whitest snake ever. I can not imagine that a BluEL/pied would be anything different in that regard.

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yeah.. Same thing

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Originally Posted by t-Roy

This is from out of no where but it is related to the topic.

Leucistic is the end of any combo right? I mean after a snake is all white, what else can you do? If anything else, it wouldn't be a Leucistic. Know what I mean? Like you cant recognize a pied Leucy, and you can't add no color/patterns to a Leucy because that would defeat the purpose of it being a Leucy, and the Leucy gene wouldn't let that happen anyway..

So Leucy is the end of the morph to me, and please correct me if proven otherwise.

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What about the Energy Ball produced by Serpents Den.
It appears to be a type of Lucy with a pattern showing through faintly.
Though has anyone heard what went into making it yet?

Has anyone made any combos with super mojaves? I'd imagine that the purple would be enough to display a 2nd color mutation. Same thing for an ivory. Hasn't the pastel ivory been done? That would be just one more reason for me to like super mojos over the other lucies.

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Has anyone made any combos with super mojaves? I'd imagine that the purple would be enough to display a 2nd color mutation. Same thing for an ivory. Hasn't the pastel ivory been done? That would be just one more reason for me to like super mojos over the other lucies.

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Hypo super mojaves and pastel ivories have both been done, you can see a visible difference in the color. I think someone made a pastel super mojave that was lighter than a regular super mojave, but I could be wrong.

I'm breeding butter het hypo x mojave het hypo this year:
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z...DSC_0980-1.jpg
If I got a leucistic out of this pairing I'm not sure that I'd be able to see a visible difference, but I would definitly breed it to a visual hypo or hypo combo to try to prove it out as a het or homozygous hypo.

These black eyed lucys have pattern to them. They're from a sulfur mojave x sulfur mojave breeding. Give me a couple years and I'll let you know if there mojave or super mojave.


https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...8/dsc_0535.jpg

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...8/dsc_0525.jpg

It is possible for other genes to leech their way into the leucistic trait, at least, I have seen it in garters. If you breed flame eastern garter snakes het leucistic and produce leucistics, any of those that would have also been flames, over time take on an extremely neon orange color from the flame gene leaking through. It's really neat to see!!!

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...daytona123.jpg