Spider wobble or spin question....

My spider has a spin or wobble to him, but not tremendously bad. Head is always cocked, ocasionally flips when picked up. So my question is: What is the reason behind spider wobble or spin? Can it be bred out? And if bred, would he carry on this trait, as in the extent of his wobble?

Thanks!
- Braedan

I think it is just a carried on trait just like the tendency for albinos high % of deformities.

I think if bred it does carry on, that's how he got it.

When I see vids on youtube with spiders that have it I feel really bad and turn it off for some reason. :(

It is not something to worry about. It is not a health issue, I see it as if it eats regularly and def regularly and doesnt act as if in pain then you shouldnt worry yourself over it. Some spiders have it and some dont. I believe it cannot be bred out.

Hi,

It's a fairly complicated situation from what I have read.

All spiders/ spider crosses can exhibit it at some stage of their life but the timing and severity seems to be random to some extent.

The original imported spider had the problem.

This is the list of the most recent threads onthe subject (I found it via the forum search using "spider wobble" as the search terms );

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...=spider+wobble

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...=spider+wobble

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...=spider+wobble

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...=spider+wobble

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...=spider+wobble

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...=spider+wobble



dr del

Wow, dont have the time at the moment to read all of those, but I really appreciate it. I'll be checking them out later tonight. As for me being worried, no, Im not concerned. Just curious! :D Too many questions, too little time. lol

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Originally Posted by N4S

just like the tendency for albinos high % of deformities.

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I've been producing albino ball pythons for 10 years and have never seen a deformity.

Hope this helps.

-adam

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Originally Posted by N4S

I think it is just a carried on trait just like the tendency for albinos high % of deformities.

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I've never seen an albino with a deformity.

JonV

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

I've been producing albino ball pythons for 10 years and have never seen a deformity.

Hope this helps.

-adam

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Yeah I was wondering about that comment myself... Maybe he means the caramel albinos...??

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Originally Posted by nevohraalnavnoj

I've never seen an albino with a deformity.

JonV

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Ralph Davis Produced a clutch of albinos and two had pretty bad deformities.

http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/bi.../pythons_2.asp

Pictures are on that page. Not saying albinos are at a high risk, but there are some that have pretty bad deformities.

Hi,

Yes I think Ralph did a video about those albino's - he was trying to get granite albinos.

So there were genes in there not in most of the normal albinos people are working with.

This is a copy of the text from his clutch description on the page you linked to above;

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Originally Posted by Ralph Davis's Website

CLUTCH NUMBER CLUTCH SIZE DATE LAID HATCH DATE
13 pic > 6 Eggs 05/13/08 07/12/08

DESCRIPTION: From breeding a Albino het Granite Albino male to his Granite Albino Mom.......we got our asses handed to us in 2006 ( 06 clutch # 12 ) with this female..........hopefully this year will be better, she had one year off. ( gr alb f )

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Related RDR YouTube Vids:

2008 clutch # 13 - part 1
Setting up babies ( a short guys perspective ) - part 3

Pic of Mom on her eggs


STATUS:
Hatched

3.2 "Granite Albino" hatched out on 7/12/08.....1 egg in this clutch went bad....they look like very nice Albinos as did 04 clutch # 79......the Albinos from 04 clutch # 79 matured into "Mom's color" to some degree but not as extreme. All but 1 baby in this clutch are "tweaked"..........short lower lips and slightly deformed snouts..........1 has no eyes at all..........

This clutch is a "flash back" of 06 clutch # 12 which was a total disaster clutch........04 clutch # 79 was breeding a "regular Albino" male to the Granite Albino female.....all were perfect from that clutch............06 clutch # 12 was breeding her het son back to here with bad results............this season was her homozygous Albino son back to her........we have "life"..........but line breeding is definitely out of the question with this project...........The Albinos she has produced in the past are "knock outs"........this is a tuff one..........

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And here is his description of the clutch mentioned above;

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Originally Posted by Ralph Davis's Website

CLUTCH NUMBER CLUTCH SIZE DATE LAID HATCH DATE
12 pic > 8 Eggs 05/03/06 06/30/06

DESCRIPTION: From breeding a het Granite Albino male to his Granite Albino Mom........this should be the year that Christy, Kathy and I prove this KILLER Albino morph out! ......( gr alb f )

Pic of Mom on her eggs


STATUS:

Hatched
This clutch is a TRAIN WRECK!......there were 5 albinos and 2 hets.......1 bad egg........3 of the Albinos are DEAD........deformed, weak and tweaked.......and 1 of the hets is the same way.......

There are 3 survivors..........2 Albinos and a het........all are totally tweaked, kinked and deformed ( bad eyes and snouts )..........ALL had bloody egg yolks left in their eggs. All had horrible colored egg fluid as well........

This is the worst full term clutch I've ever produced........from what I can see, the Albinos look to be "normal albinos".......

What a mess..........

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I don't think you can take this as meaning there are problems with all regular albinos in any way shape or form.


dr del

Wow, thats pretty rough.

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Originally Posted by nevohraalnavnoj

I've never seen an albino with a deformity.

JonV

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I will not agree that there is a high percentage, but here is a deformed Albino that I hatched three years ago. Last year the same girl gave me three perfectly healthy babies. It died half way out of the egg, and was severely kinked for the last 2 inches of the body.

http://www.baileyreptiles.com/images/gallery/bp20l.jpg

That makes me sad :(

Well guys, I appeciate all the good info. Does the wobble/spin trait seem to change with age?

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Originally Posted by muddoc

I will not agree that there is a high percentage, but here is a deformed Albino that I hatched three years ago. Last year the same girl gave me three perfectly healthy babies. It died half way out of the egg, and was severely kinked for the last 2 inches of the body.

http://www.baileyreptiles.com/images/gallery/bp20l.jpg

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Thanks Tim.

I wonder, though, if there is a relationship between being albino and deformed vs just a random occurrence of deformity which happens with all balls?

JonV

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Originally Posted by Blizzarddude

Well guys, I appeciate all the good info. Does the wobble/spin trait seem to change with age?

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Sometimes it'll come and go, sometimes be worse....other times you hardly notice it. It's there, and just something that one has to live with regarding spiders (as far as we know). As long as the parents don't exhibit extreme wobbles or laying upside down, and the spider you are interested in currently doesn't do it too much, I would imagine it would be manageable throughout its future.

JonV

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Originally Posted by nevohraalnavnoj

Thanks Tim.

I wonder, though, if there is a relationship between being albino and deformed vs just a random occurrence of deformity which happens with all balls?

JonV

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Excellent question, and one I have often pondered. I have hatched close to 500 Ball Pythons since I started in this craziness, and that is the only severe deformity that I have had go full term, and actually stay alive long enough to attempt emerging from the egg. As I stated, the same breeding 2 years after that animal, produced 3 Albinos with 0 deformities.

i just got my '08 male spider last week end. i never had herd about wobble or spin before reading this, but what exactly is the spin? cuz i have noticed when im holding him it looks like hes trying to do a back flip with his head. he doesnt do it alot, but just neve had any of my other snakes do it before.

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Originally Posted by TheShortBus

i just got my '08 male spider last week end. i never had herd about wobble or spin before reading this, but what exactly is the spin? cuz i have noticed when im holding him it looks like hes trying to do a back flip with his head. he doesnt do it alot, but just neve had any of my other snakes do it before.

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that's part of the "spin" in spiders. See earlier in this thread where another member posted links to other discussions on this issue. Punchline: Unless it's affecting your spiders eating or health, don't sweat over it.

JonV