Your largest litter

With my first group (1.3) that I got back in september the largest litter they gave me was 12 and haven't produced since January. I was a little disappointed.

About 4 weeks ago I set up a new trio. The first mom dropped 12 on the 7th and the second dropped 19 on the 9th. So I have a giant pile of 31 pinkies, its hilarious watching them try to nurse them all.

So anyway, to the point of this thread.

What's the largest litter of ASF's that you've ever had?

10, I do not do that good with ASF but I do very good with rats and mice thanks goodness

18 or 19 I think! It's so difficult when two mommas have litters at the same darn time and you're trying to guess if maybe one had two less than the other, or if they both had the same amount! :P

I had one first time momma drop 21 on me.

I think I lost a few of them, but it was my second litter so I was still attentive and actually counted them.

I get a lot of litters around 19 babes. But have some lines that routinely drop around 12-14.

Bruce

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Originally Posted by Deborah

10, I do not do that good with ASF but I do very good with rats and mice thanks goodness

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Mice hate me but I've been doing good with rats and since this weekend great with ASF!

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

18 or 19 I think! It's so difficult when two mommas have litters at the same darn time and you're trying to guess if maybe one had two less than the other, or if they both had the same amount! :P

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I was lucky that the litters were 2 days apart and could count the 1st one.

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Originally Posted by Bruce Whitehead

I had one first time momma drop 21 on me.

I think I lost a few of them, but it was my second litter so I was still attentive and actually counted them.

I get a lot of litters around 19 babes. But have some lines that routinely drop around 12-14.

Bruce

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WOW 21, I thought 19 was a lot. Hopefully she will keep producing this way so I can hold back a few of her daughters to make some new trios.

First litter 14, second was 10....momma 3 droppin' now ...6 so far....got my "Mike C' " girls droppin in a few so we'll see...

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Originally Posted by TMoore

WOW 21, I thought 19 was a lot. Hopefully she will keep producing this way so I can hold back a few of her daughters to make some new trios.

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They do not call them multimammate rats randomly. Those little beggars have 20 nipples. :)

My rats have like 10? And I routinely get litters of 15. So these freaks (and I say that with admiration - not love) could feasibly have litters of 25 or more.

Bruce

depending on which bin we talk about I get 10-25 per litter. theres been a couple higher than 25 but those arent very common

Mine gave birth 4 times already. 3 litters had 12, one litter had 10. Which is just perfect for my needs, especially since I had a period of snakes fasting...

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Originally Posted by shadi11

depending on which bin we talk about I get 10-25 per litter. theres been a couple higher than 25 but those arent very common

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I don't believe it. sorry to call you out..... But lets try to keep it real around here.

It is a common mistake. 2 females can give birth, and all the babies end up in one pile. sometimes you don't even realize the second mom was prego.... and you assume that they are all from the same litter.

thanks.

I have had 20 and lost one... That has happened twice but on average I have around 8-15.

Mike

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Originally Posted by Mike Cavanaugh

I don't believe it. sorry to call you out..... But lets try to keep it real around here.

It is a common mistake. 2 females can give birth, and all the babies end up in one pile. sometimes you don't even realize the second mom was prego.... and you assume that they are all from the same litter.

thanks.

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I agree that that mistake could easily be made.

Mike, you have loads of experience with these guys and I'm sure you have so many litters that its hard to keep track of amounts, but what is your record?

I don't count any more, but I don't think it has ever been over 16

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Originally Posted by Mike Cavanaugh

I don't believe it. sorry to call you out..... But lets try to keep it real around here.

It is a common mistake. 2 females can give birth, and all the babies end up in one pile. sometimes you don't even realize the second mom was prego.... and you assume that they are all from the same litter.

thanks.

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You can believe it or not.. but this is when i first started breeding them. harder to count now. Before I didnt do trios or anything like that I had a pair for one snake who ate them.
With the bins with more than one female I have been known to count over 40 babies. so what would that mean..

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Originally Posted by Mike Cavanaugh

I don't believe it. sorry to call you out..... But lets try to keep it real around here.

It is a common mistake. 2 females can give birth, and all the babies end up in one pile. sometimes you don't even realize the second mom was prego.... and you assume that they are all from the same litter.

thanks.

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Keeping it real here (where is my Keep On Trucking gif?). I know the litters I posted were dropped by one female.

I have two more first time moms about to drop and both are HUGE and are in bins with only one other (the impregnator!!!). If they are over 15 I will shoot an update into the thread.

Bruce

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Originally Posted by Bruce Whitehead

Keeping it real here (where is my Keep On Trucking gif?). I know the litters I posted were dropped by one female.

I have two more first time moms about to drop and both are HUGE and are in bins with only one other (the impregnator!!!). If they are over 15 I will shoot an update into the thread.

Bruce

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There is a big difference between 15 + and shadi that claims to have had multiple litters over 25. I was referring to his claim when I we requested that we keep it real... not yours.

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Originally Posted by shadi11

You can believe it or not.. but this is when i first started breeding them. harder to count now. Before I didnt do trios or anything like that I had a pair for one snake who ate them.
With the bins with more than one female I have been known to count over 40 babies. so what would that mean..

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quite frankly shadi, if you have on multiple occasions had litters of more then 25, I would be willing to bet that you have miscounted on multiple occasions.

Mike

Well mike, I do want you to know very frequently we do have 40+ babies in our tubs at a time. Believe it or not some people have larger liters than others. For a long time we were using a local rodent diet that was at 23% protein. This is when we had larger production from our females. Our numbers have only fallen off recently due to the age of our breeders. So i will ask this question in response to you. How old are your breeders. We have been breeding softfurs now for almost 3 years. I finally retired our first set of breeders about 6 months ago. I am sure you will question this aswell but if you would like to "call" me a liar its ok. My wife did not lie about these figures. We have decide that facts are facts. I had 140 babies in one month with 4 bins with trios. If I didn't average close to 20 a mom I wouldn't have done those kind of numbers. Just goes to show you what 2 know nothings can do.

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Originally Posted by snakedork

Well mike, I do want you to know very frequently we do have 40+ babies in our tubs at a time. Believe it or not some people have larger liters than others. For a long time we were using a local rodent diet that was at 23% protein. This is when we had larger production from our females. Our numbers have only fallen off recently due to the age of our breeders. So i will ask this question in response to you. How old are your breeders. We have been breeding softfurs now for almost 3 years. I finally retired our first set of breeders about 6 months ago. I am sure you will question this aswell but if you would like to "call" me a liar its ok. My wife did not lie about these figures. We have decide that facts are facts. I had 140 babies in one month with 4 bins with trios. If I didn't average close to 20 a mom I wouldn't have done those kind of numbers. Just goes to show you what 2 know nothings can do.

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Easy tiger. I never said you were a liar. I only suggested that you probably miscounted. My breeders are all relatively young... all been breeding for less then 6 months. The reason for that is because I, and every other breeder I know of that produces in high numbers know that after about 6 or 7 litters production drops off sharply. 6 months after their first litter I feed them off. The idea that you just got rid of 2 1/2 year old breeders seems a little crazy to me.

Anyways, your example that I am assuming was to show you do have litters of 25+... (because that is the argument) Please allow me to do some calculations.


you had 140 babies from 4 trios, (8 moms) over a month. assuming each mom had one litter during that month, that would be an average litter of 17.5 (pretty far away from 25+) by simple calculations. Real calculations though would show the real average much less then that.... considering a mom will have babies on the 1st, and then by the 24th again on average. So how does this support your claim of 25+ baby litters?

Thank you for your imput. Yes 15 to 25 is estimated range. I would say average is 17 or 18. But this thread is about largest litter not average.

I know what the thread is about. Look, all I am saying is that it is VERY easy to miscalculate.

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Originally Posted by shadi11

You can believe it or not.. but this is when i first started breeding them. harder to count now. Before I didnt do trios or anything like that I had a pair for one snake who ate them.
With the bins with more than one female I have been known to count over 40 babies. so what would that mean..

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I said here it was one male and one female. Not a Trio. I dont know how to miscount that. Being I work with numbers ALL day long I dont think I could be that far off. And thats what at first made me say do I really want to breed these??
I never said I got them all the time. I just was saying our larger litters tend to be from....... 15-25.. 25 being a LARGE litter. I have not had a ton of them. But I have hit the number.
I really dont think its worth the dispute. You can either believe it or not believe it like I said. Next time I will try to remember to take a pic for ya though. It is also a reason why I didnt retire as early as I should at times.. I didnt want the numbers..

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Originally Posted by Bruce Whitehead

I have two more first time moms about to drop and both are HUGE and are in bins with only one other (the impregnator!!!). If they are over 15 I will shoot an update into the thread.

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Any updates Bruce?