Everyone read-Hybrid Talk

there has been quite a few threads in the past couple of days on hybrids. i for one enjoy hybrids but many people here do not agree with them. everyone is entitled to thier opinon!! this thread was not meant to be a hybrid discussion.

for those interested in hybridization, i suggest you start posting your questions and comments on another site called hybridhaven.net. i am a member there and i feel this is where these subjects belong. we should be curtious to other people that use this site and take this type of talk to another forum.

i am NOT stepping on toes, and i am NOT going to debate hybridization in this thread, I am simply asking those interested in hybrids to post elsewhere and your questions will be answered. by doing this, you get less flak for wanting to hybridize and you give those who hate hybrids a break from this talk.

thanks!:):D

This should have probably been place in Off-Topic.

I haven't see much aggression toward hybrids (or the people that like them), more suggestions than anything. Quite a few members on here do enjoy hybrids, and I'd prefer them post on this forum.

This is actually the only forum I really post on. :D

i disagree. many of the hybrid threads on this site quickly turn into 6 pages of hybrid arguments.

there is a place for everything and here is not the place for hybrid talk. its free to joing the site listed.

Lucas,

Please do not tell other people what they should and should not discuss on the site. If the threads disturb you with the direction they take you are free to stop reading them - and people are perfectly free to keep making them.

And I have to say I personally find this thread to be in poor taste ( and certainly not curteous ) when you start encouraging members to join another site where you feel the subject is a better fit.

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12. Links or text with the purpose of recruiting members to competing sites are not allowed. Linking to other sources for the purposes of sharing something unavailable at BP.net and/or for the purposes of promoting reasonable and appropriate discussion are allowed. However, links to other forums for the purposes of slamming the site, an individual, or other inflammatory action are not allowed.

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Hybrid talk is certainly not "unavailable" on BP.net and we have allowed (and will continue to allow ) links to the forum you mention on many occasions.

I am also a member there and enjoy reading the forum and would hate to have the people on there feeling that they would not be welcome on bp.net.


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Originally Posted by Lucas339

i disagree. many of the hybrid threads on this site quickly turn into 6 pages of hybrid arguments.

there is a place for everything and here is not the place for hybrid talk. its free to joing the site listed.

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So true.

I moved this thread into Off Topic. Being in "Site Info" makes it look like BP.net endorses the content, and we certainly do not.

I'll stand behind Derek's (dr del's) post 100%. Discussions about hybrids are more than welcomed here. Just because some choose to debate the issue does not make it any less welcomed.

I think this forum does a great job in being civil during debates where opinions differ drastically. Most Hybrid threads start off with a "I saw this pic of such and such hybrid, what are all your thoughts on hybrids?" . So of course you get 6 pages of peoples opinions. I think people have a hard time talking about them here because there are many passionate and well informed people here that dis-agree with it.

I enjoy looking at all of the hybrids. No desire to produce them myself, but some of them are extremely fascinating.

I think there are lots of people that would be into hybrids if there was a way to ensure responsiblity by those breeding and distributing them as well as those buying them. I like the look of many too, I just don't like the possible consequences to the gene pools of each respective species involved. We should stop discussing soon we might hit six pages before we know it :P

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Originally Posted by Spaniard

I think there are lots of people that would be into hybrids if there was a way to ensure responsiblity by those breeding and distributing them as well as those buying them. I like the look of many too, I just don't like the possible consequences to the gene pools of each respective species involved. We should stop discussing soon we might hit six pages before we know it :P

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Oh noes! Not the dreaded six page discussion! :O

I agree though. My only issue with hybrids is making sure they are responsibly labeled and kept. As long as the animals are kept/sold to someone who will keep proper paper work and assure they won't be sold as pure animals, I'm cool with it. :)

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Originally Posted by Spaniard

I think there are lots of people that would be into hybrids if there was a way to ensure responsiblity by those breeding and distributing them as well as those buying them. I like the look of many too, I just don't like the possible consequences to the gene pools of each respective species involved. We should stop discussing soon we might hit six pages before we know it :P

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Right on Rich! :salute: My feelings exactly.

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Originally Posted by Michelle.C

Oh noes! Not the dreaded six page discussion! :O

I agree though. My only issue with hybrids is making sure they are responsibly labeled and kept. As long as the animals are kept/sold to someone who will keep proper paper work and assure they won't be sold as pure animals, I'm cool with it. :)

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When has that ever happened in the long run? How many people who own creamsicle corn snakes even know that they own a hybrid, and how many people who have corns know whether or not it has any rat blood? How many people who own carpet pythons or boas can say for a fact that they have a pure sub species or pure locality animal? There are quite a few people who can't, but a good amount of them will breed them and sell the offspring as what they think/assume/hope/wish they are. And once even one person does that, every generation after that, and all the breeders who work with any decendant after that is unknowingly working with, producing and selling hybrids as pure blood animals. And at that point, the whole CB species is in question.

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

Right on Rich! :salute: My feelings exactly.

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I am not at all offended by members suggesting other sites to visit. Someone here suggested another site for some caresheets that I found extremely helpful, although somewhat conflicting with the caresheets found on BP.net.

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I agree though. My only issue with hybrids is making sure they are responsibly labeled and kept. As long as the animals are kept/sold to someone who will keep proper paper work and assure they won't be sold as pure animals, I'm cool with it.

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Which again CANNOT be guarenteed.

As for the OP this is a forum, people have opinions and last time I check people could share their opinions even if they were different, nowhere have I seen that if you had a different opinion than the OP you should you refrain from posting (so the thread does not get 6 pages long).

Finally having different opinion does not mean a discussion is not welcomed.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Which again CANNOT be guarenteed.

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You can't guarentee they will be fed and cared for right either, but you can try your best.

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Originally Posted by southb

You can't guarentee they will be fed and cared for right either, but you can try your best.

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There go the apples and oranges again :rolleye2:

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Originally Posted by southb

You can't guarentee they will be fed and cared for right either, but you can try your best.

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What does that have to do with anything? A breeder that doesn't feed or care for a snake properly isn't risking the integrety of the entire captive bred population of a species until the end of time. :confused:

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Originally Posted by Lucas339

i disagree. many of the hybrid threads on this site quickly turn into 6 pages of hybrid arguments.

there is a place for everything and here is not the place for hybrid talk. its free to joing the site listed.

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Then I would suggest you respectfully ask Judy to add a hybrid forum to this site. If enough people show interest, I'm sure she would be willing to listen. We have forums here for dogs, cat, rats, and everything in between.

I think this is a place for hybrid talk, and if it were to have it's own forum, people who wanted to argue would know what's coming if they stir the pot in there. Much like if I were to go into the Giant Snake Forum here at BPnet and advocate the banning of large constrictors. I would deserve what ever was tossed my way.

Personally, I don't believe in hybrids, but I would totally support having a hybrid forum on this site so people who have a different view from mine could discuss their interests.

Suggesting the members here go to another site because you don't like the tone of the hybrid threads here is narrow minded and limiting, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by PythonWallace

When has that ever happened in the long run? How many people who own creamsicle corn snakes even know that they own a hybrid, and how many people who have corns know whether or not it has any rat blood? How many people who own carpet pythons or boas can say for a fact that they have a pure sub species or pure locality animal? There are quite a few people who can't, but a good amount of them will breed them and sell the offspring as what they think/assume/hope/wish they are. And once even one person does that, every generation after that, and all the breeders who work with any decendant after that is unknowingly working with, producing and selling hybrids as pure blood animals. And at that point, the whole CB species is in question.

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Agreed, which is why I don't wish to produce them myself. They are going to produce hybrids, whether we like it or not. I just make sure I buy from reputable dealers who know their animals history, especially if I want to breed the animals myself.

I completely understand where you are coming from. Fact is, quite a few hybridist are extremely irresponsible. They don't keep paper work on the animals, they don't sell them to responsible keepers, etc. The chain continues until you end up with where Carpet Pythons, Hog Island Boas, other Boa Locales, etc are currently at. Look at the massive posts about "What Carpet did I get?", I've seen 3 posts in the past week or two.

Oh! and lets not forget childreni (Children's Pythons) and maculosa (Spotted Python). It is extremely rare to find a pure animal in the US. Almost immediately after being imported into US soil, the intra-species hybridization started.

I said as long as they are bred responsibly, I don't mind. Yes it might not be a common occurrence, but it does occur. Most of the users on the forum he posted are serious about their hobby (hybrids) and do keep proper labels on their animals. Most of them that are serious about the hobby will also sell to other responsible keepers.

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Originally Posted by Slim

Then I would suggest you respectfully ask Judy to add a hybrid forum to this site. If enough people show interest, I'm sure she would be willing to listen. We have forums here for dogs, cat, rats, and everything in between.

I think this is a place for hybrid talk, and if it were to have it's own forum, people who wanted to argue would know what's coming if they stir the pot in there. Much like if I were to go into the Giant Snake Forum here at BPnet and advocate the banning of large constrictors. I would deserve what ever was tossed my way.

Personally, I don't believe in hybrids, but I would totally support having a hybrid forum on this site so people who have a different view from mine could discuss their interests.

Suggesting the members here go to another site because you don't like the tone of the hybrid threads here is narrow minded and limiting, in my opinion.

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I wouldn't mind seeing a Hybrid forum on BP.net. After all, there is a Venomous Forum. I'm sure there is as many people with Hybrids on this forum as there is Venomous. :)

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Originally Posted by Michelle.C

Agreed, which is why I don't wish to produce them myself. They are going to produce hybrids, whether we like it or not. I just make sure I buy from reputable dealers who know their animals history, especially if I want to breed the animals myself.

I completely understand where you are coming from. Fact is, quite a few hybridist are extremely irresponsible. They don't keep paper work on the animals, they don't sell them to responsible keepers, etc. The chain continues until you end up with where Carpet Pythons, Hog Island Boas, other Boa Locales, etc are currently at. Look at the massive posts about "What Carpet did I get?", I've seen 3 posts in the past week or two.

Oh! and lets not forget childreni (Children's Pythons) and maculosa (Spotted Python). It is extremely rare to find a pure animal in the US. Almost immediately after being imported into US soil, the intra-species hybridization started.

I said as long as they are bred responsibly, I don't mind. Yes it might not be a common occurrence, but it does occur. Most of the users on the forum he posted are serious about their hobby (hybrids) and do keep proper labels on their animals. Most of them that are serious about the hobby will also sell to other responsible keepers.

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I wasn't directing that at you. I agree that some hybrids look cool and if history showed that people were able to keep a hybrid project from messing up pure lines, I'd probably have less of a hatred for the practice. I just write the post I did every time I get handed the setup you laid out for me.

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Originally Posted by PythonWallace

I wasn't directing that at you. I agree that some hybrids look cool and if history showed that people were able to keep a hybrid project from messing up pure lines, I'd probably have less of a hatred for the practice. I just write the post I did every time I get handed the setup you laid out for me.

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I know it wasn't directed at me. I was also adding to what you said. Making a further point. :)

I would actually love to see a hybrid forum here. I don't breed them or keep them, but I find them pretty fascinating.

1. i never told anyone what to do, i only made a suggestion.
2. I have no problems with threads that strain on for endless pages but i do have a problem with people asking a question and never getting the answer due to other people bashing them for wanting to know more about something.
3. if you thought this post was there was something wrong with what i posted then i guess im missing the point of stating an opinion. my opinion is simply if you want a strait answer then there are other places to ask them (not saying where)
4. i started a another thread with a poll attached to see how much interest there is on here for a hybrid section. based i this, the mods can determine weither or not to start the new section. please, vote how you feel. if you are just going to go onto the hybrid section just to post comments on how you disapprove hybridization of animals then i ask you just to vote no.

if any of the above post offends you in any way, calm down! its just the internet:)

I voted.

YouTube - When in Rome - The Promise

the biggest issue is that you have a handfull of ppl that want to debate everything they do not agree with and flame those that dont agree with them. we should have a hybrid forum.

I find a member posting that people should go to another forum to talk about something allowed here to be very disrespectful. It's bordering on rude, and I've seen people banned off other sites for doing the same thing.
If the talk about hybrids bugs you, then go to the hybrid site. But don't start telling people that they should go there to talk instead of here.
You wouldn't get a good reception if you went into McDonalds and started telling people in the lobby to go to BurderKing, would you?

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Originally Posted by nixer

the biggest issue is that you have a handfull of ppl that want to debate everything they do not agree with and flame those that dont agree with them. we should have a hybrid forum.

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So it would be a very interesting board if we all posted..."I do this" and 500 people posted "OMG I do that too!"????? Look Nixer the whole point of places like this is to gather information and that's often through healthy debate and discussion. I'm sorry that makes you less than comfortable.

As far as flaming, I think you would agree that we keep that to a bare minimum around here. It's a point of pride with this staff that we try to put out those flames as fast as possible and insist that our membership show respect to each other and to differing opinions. However, we cannot and I feel should not constantly insist that everyone hug and make kissy faces at each other - we are not online babysitters. Thinking adults are going to disagree, sometimes quite strongly, when they are talking about something they are passionate about. All we ask is that they do it with the same respect they expect to be afforded their own thoughts and feelings.

Personally I hope that everyone here is passionate about their snakes. :)

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Originally Posted by Lucas339

1. i never told anyone what to do, i only made a suggestion.2. I have no problems with threads that strain on for endless pages but i do have a problem with people asking a question and never getting the answer due to other people bashing them for wanting to know more about something.
3. if you thought this post was there was something wrong with what i posted then i guess im missing the point of stating an opinion. my opinion is simply if you want a strait answer then there are other places to ask them (not saying where)
4. i started a another thread with a poll attached to see how much interest there is on here for a hybrid section. based i this, the mods can determine weither or not to start the new section. please, vote how you feel. if you are just going to go onto the hybrid section just to post comments on how you disapprove hybridization of animals then i ask you just to vote no.

if any of the above post offends you in any way, calm down! its just the internet:)

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holy broken record:O

Some of you need some thicker skin. This is only the internet after all.

I was part of a hybrid discussion and don't remember anyone getting flamed. And Lucas, if you were on any other site, the admin and mods would give you a serious talking to for trying to recruit to another site just for the sake of recruiting. So don't take the victim stance.

Any discussion has a place on this site, just be ready for a discussion. Don't expect everyone to blow smoke up your... whatever... just to make you feel better about yourself.

People are allowed to disagree, it's usually the disagreement that teaches best.

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

Some of you need some thicker skin. This is only the internet after all.

I was part of a hybrid discussion and don't remember anyone getting flamed. And Lucas, if you were on any other site, the admin and mods would give you a serious talking to for trying to recruit to another site just for the sake of recruiting. So don't take the victim stance.

Any discussion has a place on this site, just be ready for a discussion. Don't expect everyone to blow smoke up your... whatever... just to make you feel better about yourself.

People are allowed to disagree, it's usually the disagreement that teaches best.

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this thread got out of hand and im over it.

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Originally Posted by Lucas339

this thread got out of hand and im over it.

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Again with that mentality. "They dont agree with me! I don't wanna play anymore."

Good luck with a self centered world that revolves around you, where there is no such thing as a "discussion". :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Lucas339

this thread got out of hand and im over it.

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if this is out of hand you may need to reconsider your forum usage. In my experience this is one of the nicest large forums I've seen. I've had my share of frustrations with the site, as well as with individual members. But the staff here functions very well and run an impressively 'tight ship'.

Also, the knowledge here is much better than a lot of places. I checked out your hybridhaven, and was seriously not impressed. But hey, to each their own.

the point of this thread was this and ONLY this:
many, many people (probably the majority) dislike hybrids. Many of those that dislike them have a border line hate for them. i was just SUGGESTING that people who want to talk hybrids do it out of they eye of those who hate them. i can understand why those who hate them do so and agree to a point with some of them.

to me a proper discussion isn't "what a waste of animals, why do you do that, and thats irrespossible". but those are opinions and are fine.

the point of this tread was NOT to recruit people to another forum. however in retrospect it did come off as that but was NEVER my intention. i appoligize if you thought this.

Mike,
i fully agree with you. this is my go to site. i check it daily and during the week i check it mulitple times a day. many on here offer helpful advice. you and some others gave me alot of advice on the care of my new boas. there are other sites that don't offer this kind of help.

and please don't refer to it as MY website. i visit it maybe once a week.

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

Again with that mentality. "They dont agree with me! I don't wanna play anymore."

Good luck with a self centered world that revolves around you, where there is no such thing as a "discussion". :rolleyes:

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if you knew me at all, which you don't, you'd know that i can and will argue anything. i can roll with the punches, i have tough skin, i can handle it. i find that many people are high and mighty when and only when they are behind the keyboard.

this thread isn't a discussion by any means. its people getting offended by a simple opinion/suggestion that i offered and thus coming down on me. but whatever! i said all i have to say on this.........................

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Originally Posted by Lucas339

1. i never told anyone what to do, i only made a suggestion.

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Lucas - why even bother? After reading your initial post on this thread I looked up some of the hybrid threads and can't see what the big deal is. Who cares if someone shares your views on hybrids?

You already knew that people are somewhat polarized on this subject - so why even bother to bring it up again? You should know by now that you can't keep people from voicing their opinions (valid or not). So why revisit a topic that obviously got under your skin?

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2. I have no problems with threads that strain on for endless pages but i do have a problem with people asking a question and never getting the answer due to other people bashing them for wanting to know more about something.

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Welcome to the internet and forums in general. Again - I'd echo the sentiments of other people and suggest not getting irked by something so trivial.

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3. if you thought this post was there was something wrong with what i posted then i guess im missing the point of stating an opinion. my opinion is simply if you want a strait answer then there are other places to ask them (not saying where)

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People who are interested can find other forums to discuss hybrids on their own - they found this place, didn't they?

As Mike said, you can always state your opinion - you just can't reasonably request that other people refrain from doing the same.

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4. i started a another thread with a poll attached to see how much interest there is on here for a hybrid section. based i this, the mods can determine weither or not to start the new section. please, vote how you feel. if you are just going to go onto the hybrid section just to post comments on how you disapprove hybridization of animals then i ask you just to vote no.

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If the mods were to create another section on hybrids, you can probably expect the debates and "bashing" to continue there. Again - why bother?

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If any of the above post offends you in any way, calm down! its just the internet:)

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That's a good bit of advice. Seriously, apply it to those who want to debate the ethics of hybrids. You already know that many people will post things they would never have the guts to say when they can do it from the safety of a keyboard.

If you ran into those same people in person, you would probably find the tone of the conversation to be quite different - but again who cares? I could give a rip either way about hybrids. I see the arguments of people who are against them - but I can apply that same logic to the lack of self control in this hobby in general.

Giants, hybrids, hots - it's all going to be a go until our excesses catch up with us and the government hits us with their own draconian style of self control.

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Originally Posted by frankykeno

So it would be a very interesting board if we all posted..."I do this" and 500 people posted "OMG I do that too!"?????

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:O The Stepford BP.netters :rofl:

BTW we are getting dangerously close to 6 pages here http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...ticons/Run.gif

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Originally Posted by Lucas339

the point of this thread was this and ONLY this:
many, many people (probably the majority) dislike hybrids. Many of those that dislike them have a border line hate for them. i was just SUGGESTING that people who want to talk hybrids do it out of they eye of those who hate them. i can understand why those who hate them do so and agree to a point with some of them.

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Lucas any forum, whether that might be for hybrids or rat breeding or whatever, is not "out of the eye" of any member here. Our forums are fully open for discussion (other than QT which requires you contact Admin for entrance). Quite honestly whether a thread is about hybrids in a ball python general forum or in a hybrid specific forum, it's going to get commented on by any member that feels the need to type. Their opinion yay or nay will be just as valid as anyone else's and the only moderation that would be done is by our TOS as it is in any forum here.

Specific forums are created here because of membership interest, NOT as an attempt to encourage a cliche or a particular point of view.

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Originally Posted by Slim

Personally, I don't believe in hybrids, but I would totally support having a hybrid forum on this site so people who have a different view from mine could discuss their interests.

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I would love a hybrid forum...

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Originally Posted by waltah!

I would actually love to see a hybrid forum here. I don't breed them or keep them, but I find them pretty fascinating.

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Originally Posted by Michelle.C

I wouldn't mind seeing a Hybrid forum on BP.net. After all, there is a Venomous Forum. I'm sure there is as many people with Hybrids on this forum as there is Venomous. :)

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Originally Posted by Lucas339

if you are just going to go onto the hybrid section just to post comments on how you disapprove hybridization of animals then i ask you just to vote no.

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I would say that if you feel strongly against it vote yes so that your opinion has a specific place to be heard.

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Originally Posted by Lucas339

this thread got out of hand and im over it.

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I have a teenage sister who says the same thing when she gets upset...

All in all I would love to see a Hybrid forum on here. I have been thinking alot about doing a hybrid project and some of the things I have seen on here give me something to think about. I would really like a section where the ones who support or are against this can give their view point. I would also like a place to talk about the genetics of hybridizing. I think that a hybrid forum is a great idea.

Mike

Do we stop at six pages? :D

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Originally Posted by frankykeno

Thinking adults are going to disagree, sometimes quite strongly, when they are talking about something they are passionate about. All we ask is that they do it with the same respect they expect to be afforded their own thoughts and feelings.

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LOL.

Thanks for the chuckle.

I still say all n' all y'all do a right fine job over here.

Can't always see the line, but mostly you know it's down there somewhere.

Of course, that begs the definition of line, but that is a conversation for another thread....

I'm gunning for 6 pages :D

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Originally Posted by Lucas339

this thread got out of hand and im over it.

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How is that attitude helpfull?

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Originally Posted by Lucas339

the point of this thread was this and ONLY this:
many, many people (probably the majority) dislike hybrids. Many of those that dislike them have a border line hate for them.

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Lucas, this is a public forum, please don't tell me that the point of a thread is something and only something. The thread goes where it goes. It's part of the debate process, and trying to curtail that free flow of ideas is dangerously close to cenorship. If you personally disagree with that, I would suggest you spend less time on internet forums...might lower your blood pressure a few points.

How will you know how the majority of posters on this forum feel about hybrids unless the debate is allowed to happen? Last time I looked, the voting was going in favor of an addtional Hybrid Forum. Please take a close look at the Hots and Giant Forums and tell me how many threads you find where people are on there bear baiting hot and giant snake supporters.

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Originally Posted by Lucas339

i was just SUGGESTING that people who want to talk hybrids do it out of they eye of those who hate them. i can understand why those who hate them do so and agree to a point with some of them.

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Out of the eye of those who hate them? How can that ever promote a healthy debate, or even a free exchange of ideas?

I think a Hybrid Forum will serve your purpose, but if you really want to discuss hybrids in a secret society format, pony up to be a Platinum Supporter of this sight and ask for a personal forum with password entry by your invitation. You and your invitees can talk about hybrids till the cows come home, away from the prying eyes of any nay sayers.

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Originally Posted by Lucas339

to me a proper discussion isn't "what a waste of animals, why do you do that, and thats irrespossible". but those are opinions and are fine.

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Well, which is it? Not part of a proper discussion, or fine? Really confused by this statement.

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Originally Posted by Lucas339

this thread isn't a discussion by any means. its people getting offended by a simple opinion/suggestion that i offered and thus coming down on me. but whatever! i said all i have to say on this.........................

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You seem to be taking this thread personally....

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Originally Posted by Lucas339

if you knew me at all, which you don't, you'd know that i can and will argue anything. i can roll with the punches, i have tough skin, i can handle it.

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....but with your thick skin, I'm sure you can power through.

Just one note...

A Yes vote is not necessarily a vote FOR hybrids, it is merely a vote for a separate forum.

A person can loathe hybrids and still vote yes with the assurance that they will no longer find hybrid threads splattered throughout the other forums. :)

Bruce... (who has not voted)

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Originally Posted by Bruce Whitehead

Just one note...

A Yes vote is not necessarily a vote FOR hybrids, it is merely a vote for a separate forum.

A person can loathe hybrids and still vote yes with the assurance that they will no longer find hybrid threads splattered throughout the other forums. :)

Bruce... (who has not voted)

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Very good point, Bruce. I don't think I'd check out a Hybrid Forum any more than I do the Dogs Forum, but I do support having one here.

I've stated my personal oposition to hybrids, but I would like to see those interested in them have a place to discuss them. It's not like I'm going to troll the Hybrid Forum and nay say every thread.

Bruce, you never vote...it's part of your charm around here :rofl:

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Originally Posted by wilomn

LOL.

Thanks for the chuckle.

I still say all n' all y'all do a right fine job over here.

Can't always see the line, but mostly you know it's down there somewhere.

Of course, that begs the definition of line, but that is a conversation for another thread....

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I live to entertain you Wes, it's one of my personal goals. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Slim

Very good point, Bruce. I don't think I'd check out a Hybrid Forum any more than I do the Dogs Forum, but I do support having one here.

I've stated my personal oposition to hybrids, but I would like to see those interested in them have a place to discuss them. It's not like I'm going to troll the Hybrid Forum and nay say every thread.

Bruce, you never vote...it's part of your charm around here :rofl:

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Like they say... if you do not vote, then do not complain. This is how I get out of getting embroiled in the messy stuff. :gj:

Bruce

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Originally Posted by Deborah

:O The Stepford BP.netters :rofl:

BTW we are getting dangerously close to 6 pages here http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...ticons/Run.gif

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Page 1 for me...I have all the threads/page and posts/page maxed out...I hate having to go through page after page...

It is a great tool for those who have not changed it...it is in the CP. :)

Back on topic...I think a lot of members and staff have already said everything I would have said, so great job gang.

Although I don't know much about Hybrids, other than what the mix is, I am open to having a place here to talk about them. I tried to join another forum a few weeks ago, I just can't do it BP.net is home. :D
I like that there are some passionate discussions, it shows people care.




now if only being married was as easy as this:rolleyes:

I am sure Wes will know what I am talking about and can fill in the blanks.

I remember a saying that goes something along the lines of...

You might look stupid but why open your mouth and confirm the fact...

Or some thing of that nature.

Any way the whole point of this post was in reference to Bruce not wanting to get involved in the "messy stuff"