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I had to laugh tonite. Now i can't remember where but I know i read it here. They actually will not sell you a mouse at all after you tell them you feed live food. You go on a do not sell list or something i guess. My husband had to brag that he had to feed off 20 rats today to my juvies. She told us then we will not sell you any mice or rats because its against company policy. This coming from a girl standing 10 feet from a display of snakes including corns, kingsnakes, ball pythons and an empty boa constrictor cage. I asked what they feed their snakes then and she told us that isn't her department and she didn't know. Im always amazed when people are so ignorant about snakes but are still willing to sell one to the public. This is the same person that probably never understands why snakes owners who buy from them let a 6 foot boa loose because they can't house it properly anymore because "petsmart" doesn't sell a tank that is large enough to house it. My rant for the day.

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Originally Posted by shadi11

I had to laugh tonite. Now i can't remember where but I know i read it here. They actually will not sell you a mouse at all after you tell them you feed live food. You go on a do not sell list or something i guess. My husband had to brag that he had to feed off 20 rats today to my juvies. She told us then we will not sell you any mice or rats because its against company policy. This coming from a girl standing 10 feet from a display of snakes including corns, kingsnakes, ball pythons and an empty boa constrictor cage. I asked what they feed their snakes then and she told us that isn't her department and she didn't know. Im always amazed when people are so ignorant about snakes but are still willing to sell one to the public. This is the same person that probably never understands why snakes owners who buy from them let a 6 foot boa loose because they can't house it properly anymore because "petsmart" doesn't sell a tank that is large enough to house it. My rant for the day.

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i walk in to my local pet store and say its dinner day and they give me live no problem. i find that funny. poor girl must think they eat kibble.

Well the thing is, it is not her fault, to answer your question Petsmart feed F/T more often than not they actually force feed the animals.

It is COMPANY policy not to sell any live animals as feeder, employees do not have a say and MUST go by the book.

Whether she is or not knowledgeable is really irrelevant especially if she is not in charge of the reptiles.

If I was working there I could not tell you what the chinchillas are being fed or how to care for them but I would if it was MY department.

Either way knowledgeable or not there is VERY little petsmart employees can do.

I would have figured as much. One mouse there is 6 bucks :/

I think pet supplies plus is the only place that sells specifically feeder mice at a low price.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Well the thing is, it is not her fault, to answer your question Petsmart feed F/T more often than not they actually force feed the animals.

It is COMPANY policy not to sell any live animals as feeder, employees do not have a say and MUST go by the book.

Whether she is or not knowledgeable is really irrelevant especially if she is not in charge of the reptiles.

If I was working there I could not tell you what the chinchillas are being fed or how to care for them but I would if it was MY department.

Either way knowledgeable or not there is VERY little petsmart employees can do.

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you are correct, it isn't the girls fault. The funny thing is she did now that they typically eat live food. I didn't know they force fed them. Maybe i should befriend a petsmart employee so that when i need to assist feed some ball hatchlings this year, I don't have to do it myself. I just don't understand how the executives of petsmart can sleep at night with policies like that. I only wish i had 10 bucks to pay for a mouse to buy one as a pet and walk out after naming it dinner. While on the subject though they do sell crickets that are live huh amazing just because its a mammal it can't be food. Sorry Im just having one of those days.

Ever notice how many crickets are in the cages with the snakes at Petsmart.
Like the corn snakes and BP's are actually going to eat those crickets. :D

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Originally Posted by SPJ

Ever notice how many crickets are in the cages with the snakes at Petsmart.
Like the corn snakes and BP's are actually going to eat those crickets. :D

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Never seen this. I should check next time I go.

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I didn't know they force fed them.

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Sadly they often have to because simply because they will not eat for them………………..hmm wonder why? multiple housing, improper husbandry, stress :rolleyes:

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Maybe i should befriend a petsmart employee so that when i need to assist feed some ball hatchlings this year, I don't have to do it myself.

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I'm not sure I would do that, those that do barely have experience themselves.

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I just don't understand how the executives of petsmart can sleep at night with policies like that.

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One word MONEY

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While on the subject though they do sell crickets

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If there was a market for pet crickets they probably would start selling leashes for them and no longer sell them as feeder either :rofl:

Funny you should post this. A few months ago, my boyfriend and I walked into a petsmart to see if they sold feeder rats or mice and the woman responded in a very condescending tone stating that Petsmart's company policy doesn't support animal cruelty and blah blah blah.
I told her I think it's also cruel to starve another animal. What I don't understand is why they sell small packs of tiny frozen mice but they won't get frozen rats...
Anyway... it's to be expected from a major corporation. I just think they could have better reasoning for it and nicer ways to go about stating it to their customers.

deborah you are in deed the wise one. Can i ask you some questions about life too because all your other answers are definately spot on. Its just a sad sad world we live in. That does explain why those balls always look so skinny and deathly in petsmart.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Either way knowledgeable or not there is VERY little petsmart employees can do.

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I'd like to hear opinions on ethics in the workplace, specifically the chain pet store situation.

Is it ethical to work at a large chain pet store if you know the animals are poorly cared for and there is very little you can do about it? Do you refuse to work there? Do you work there and try your best to make a positive impact? Or do you push feelings aside, do what you're told, and make a living, understanding that the situation is out of your hands?

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Originally Posted by simplechamp

I'd like to hear opinions on ethics in the workplace, specifically the chain pet store situation.

Is it ethical to work at a large chain pet store if you know the animals are poorly cared for and there is very little you can do about it? Do you refuse to work there? Do you work there and try your best to make a positive impact? Or do you push feelings aside, do what you're told, and make a living, understanding that the situation is out of your hands?

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If I had the option of working at a chain pet store like petsmart, I would take the job and try to educate customers and employees. Even if the impact is small, its still doing something good for the animals.

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

If I had the option of working at a chain pet store like petsmart, I would take the job and try to educate customers and employees. Even if the impact is small, its still doing something good for the animals.

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if i wasnt currently employed full time i think id take a job at a chain pet store for the same reason, to take care of the right.

a little over a year ago I didnt have a job for about six months.. One day at petco I think it was I saw a sign saying now hiring reptile specialist. I actually said that may not be so bad to get me thru. Then I had to think. Doesnt matter how much you know or that youve owned reptiles for 20 years, like I have. What matters is what they want you to teach. And if you vary from that. your not keeping that job. I talked to the assistant manager who knew me from another forum I frequent. And he even said he couldnt hire me. He knows I wouldnt follow policy about what is supposed to be said. I would follow what I get caught now walking thru the store telling customers. After the "specialist" gave them not so great information.

I'm in Canada and we have a chain up here called Petcetra, I picked up some feeders a few times when I was in a pinch. Got to talking to an employee and made the mistake of mentioning that the mice were for my BP. Now I'm black booked and they wont even sell me a bag of cat food. The other major chain up here Petland you have to go through a 2 hour adoption process for a 4 dollar mouse. lol

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Originally Posted by shadi11

a little over a year ago I didnt have a job for about six months.. One day at petco I think it was I saw a sign saying now hiring reptile specialist. I actually said that may not be so bad to get me thru. Then I had to think. Doesnt matter how much you know or that youve owned reptiles for 20 years, like I have. What matters is what they want you to teach. And if you vary from that. your not keeping that job. I talked to the assistant manager who knew me from another forum I frequent. And he even said he couldnt hire me. He knows I wouldnt follow policy about what is supposed to be said. I would follow what I get caught now walking thru the store telling customers. After the "specialist" gave them not so great information.

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Any way you can get a hand on that policy? I would like to see what they are telling their employees :/

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Originally Posted by shadi11

you are correct, it isn't the girls fault. The funny thing is she did now that they typically eat live food. I didn't know they force fed them. Maybe i should befriend a petsmart employee so that when i need to assist feed some ball hatchlings this year, I don't have to do it myself. I just don't understand how the executives of petsmart can sleep at night with policies like that. I only wish i had 10 bucks to pay for a mouse to buy one as a pet and walk out after naming it dinner. While on the subject though they do sell crickets that are live huh amazing just because its a mammal it can't be food. Sorry Im just having one of those days.

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lol my mice are named Dinner & Dessert they are my breeders

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I'm in Canada and we have a chain up here called Petcetra, I picked up some feeders a few times when I was in a pinch. Got to talking to an employee and made the mistake of mentioning that the mice were for my BP. Now I'm black booked and they wont even sell me a bag of cat food. The other major chain up here Petland you have to go through a 2 hour adoption process for a 4 dollar mouse. lol

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well at leats your making them work for that $4 :P and damn . i pay $1 for adult mice form my local pet store and i name thing diner and snakypoo right in the store lol they dont care

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Originally Posted by Deborah

If there was a market for pet crickets they probably would start selling leashes for them and no longer sell them as feeder either :rofl:

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:8:Good one Deb!!!

Me and my girlfriend had to go 'adopt' a mouse (since they don't 'sell them') from petsmart because the other stores were closed. They were like 'oh you picked such a cute one do you have all the supplies?' We just smiled and said we had everything we needed haha.

how do they not sell them?

also if i had to get one from a big chain store id name it frank, so they wouldnt catch on lol

I go into my pet store, and I have my own containers. On one of them, is written "Davidson's food".:rofl: The store owner doesnt have a problem with it, but I have gotten a few good looks from other customers. I have been refused a hamster once, because they knew it was for a snake, so I went to another store, and was out of the store in less than 2 minutes.

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Originally Posted by shadi11

I had to laugh tonite. Now i can't remember where but I know i read it here. They actually will not sell you a mouse at all after you tell them you feed live food. You go on a do not sell list or something i guess. My husband had to brag that he had to feed off 20 rats today to my juvies. She told us then we will not sell you any mice or rats because its against company policy. This coming from a girl standing 10 feet from a display of snakes including corns, kingsnakes, ball pythons and an empty boa constrictor cage. I asked what they feed their snakes then and she told us that isn't her department and she didn't know. Im always amazed when people are so ignorant about snakes but are still willing to sell one to the public. This is the same person that probably never understands why snakes owners who buy from them let a 6 foot boa loose because they can't house it properly anymore because "petsmart" doesn't sell a tank that is large enough to house it. My rant for the day.

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Thats not how i remember it

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Originally Posted by snakedork

Thats not how i remember it

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well.... Thats kinda funny. we just wont go into that one.
I think one computer needs to go though..:colbert:

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

Any way you can get a hand on that policy? I would like to see what they are telling their employees :/

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Will see what I can do. I know they emailed it out to someone I knew awhile back

Well........

I DO work for PetSmart and petcare IS my job. We do not sell mice our rats as feeders, and it dosn't matter one lick that I think it is a foolish policy. I CAN be fired if I sell a rodent for food. Also, I can tell you we DO NOT force feed our animals, that is 100% NOT policy in any way,shape ,or form. We feed frozen thaw and as of yet I have not had any animal refuse to eat while in my care. All of our stores should also be stocking frozen rats ( they are smalls and come in a two pack ). I do not think petsmart gets everything right, but I know that our policies have the health of the animals in mind. I have spent almost three hundred dollars of company funds on vet bills for a single 35 dollar G. Pig, then had to find someone to adopt the animal( no charge)because I could not sell it with known issues. I realize our reputation isn't the best, but I can tell you there are many good people working for the company, and more than a few idiots. Btw, I CAN also be fired for posting on this forum and letting it be known I am an employee of Petsmart.

Severum11

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Originally Posted by Severum11

Well........

I DO work for PetSmart and petcare IS my job. We do not sell mice our rats as feeders, and it dosn't matter one lick that I think it is a foolish policy. I CAN be fired if I sell a rodent for food. Also, I can tell you we DO NOT force feed our animals, that is 100% NOT policy in any way,shape ,or form. We feed frozen thaw and as of yet I have not had any animal refuse to eat while in my care. All of our stores should also be stocking frozen rats ( they are smalls and come in a two pack ). I do not think petsmart gets everything right, but I know that our policies have the health of the animals in mind. I have spent almost three hundred dollars of company funds on vet bills for a single 35 dollar G. Pig, then had to find someone to adopt the animal( no charge)because I could not sell it with known issues. I realize our reputation isn't the best, but I can tell you there are many good people working for the company, and more than a few idiots. Btw, I CAN also be fired for posting on this forum and letting it be known I am an employee of Petsmart.

Severum11

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Why would posting this information get you fired?

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

Why would posting this information get you fired?

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thats was my question. isnt freedom of speech a right? especially when its on your own free time. i worked at KFC long ago and hated it. even told my boss every day that KFC was such a garbage job and i didnt care for her... still didnt get fired lol

psssstttt....... http://genmay.com/images/smilies/allnighte.gif i work at petsmart shhhh :P

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

Why would posting this information get you fired?

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The company doesn't want an individuals opinion to be mistaken for the companys position on any given subject. Last year we had to sign off on a policy that dealt with posting comments relating to PetSmart on public forums, inernet sites, and the like. I am violating that policy. On a side note, I can tell you what I believe to be the reason we do not sell live feeders, it is rather simple.... P.E.T.A.. Heck, we are not supposed to refer to our feeder fish as feeders.

Severum11

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Originally Posted by Severum11

The company doesn't want an individuals opinion to be mistaken for the companys position on any given subject. Last year we had to sign off on a policy that dealt with posting comments relating to PetSmart on public forums, inernet sites, and the like. I am violating that policy. On a side note, I can tell you what I believe to be the reason we do not sell live feeders, it is rather simple.... P.E.T.A.. Heck, we are not supposed to refer to our feeder fish as feeders.

Severum11

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That is kind of a lame policy. Can't you just state in the post that this is your opinion and not the company's?

I understand where they are coming from but this is like banning cars because sometimes there are car accidents.

I buy feeder fish for my turtle all the time there. They have no problem calling them feeders in Omaha. And in a pinch i've had to buy live mice there. Its time consuming buying mice because you have paperwork to fill out. But i just stand there quietly and hope they dont remember me from the week before buying the exact same amount of mice lol.

alright i didn't decide to read everyone's comments but i'm actually an employee at a PetSmart and Pet Care is my department.

Yes, it is store policy. That's also why the prices are a little higher for those rodents. They're "fancy" mice and "fancy" rats (they have pretty color patterns. unlike plain white or whatever color your common feeder rodents are). But I don't care about the whole animal cruelty part behind live rodents as long as it isn't the snake being abused with ignorant snake keepers (too many bad pictures of injured snakes who were left unattended with their food running through my mind).
Lucky for me though, the Petco across the street does sell live feeder rodents (although everything else is pretty much crap). So when someone throws a fit about it we just tell them they can cross the street and take care of everything there.

Yes, we feed them frozen/thawed. No, the PetSmart I'm at hasn't force fed.

And this is why I'm a member of so many forums about so many animals.
Ball pythons, cichlids, loaches, goldfish, rodents of sorts, and so on.
I choose to be informed so I can inform customers.

Blame the individual for their own stupidity.
No need to generalize.

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alright i didn't decide to read everyone's comments but i'm actually an employee at a PetSmart and Pet Care is my department.

Yes, it is store policy. That's also why the prices are a little higher for those rodents. They're "fancy" mice and "fancy" rats (they have pretty color patterns. unlike plain white or whatever color your common feeder rodents are). But I don't care about the whole animal cruelty part behind live rodents as long as it isn't the snake being abused with ignorant snake keepers (too many bad pictures of injured snakes who were left unattended with their food running through my mind).
Lucky for me though, the Petco across the street does sell live feeder rodents (although everything else is pretty much crap). So when someone throws a fit about it we just tell them they can cross the street and take care of everything there.

Yes, we feed them frozen/thawed. No, the PetSmart I'm at hasn't force fed.

And this is why I'm a member of so many forums about so many animals.
Ball pythons, cichlids, loaches, goldfish, rodents of sorts, and so on.
I choose to be informed so I can inform customers.

Blame the individual for their own stupidity.
No need to generalize.

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So then why do I hear all this rif-raf about people possibly getting fired for "informing customers".

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

So then why do I hear all this rif-raf about people possibly getting fired for "informing customers".

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i had to go and find the post. he said Petco ;)

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i had to go and find the post. he said Petco ;)

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I DO work for PetSmart and petcare IS my job. We do not sell mice our rats as feeders, and it dosn't matter one lick that I think it is a foolish policy. I CAN be fired if I sell a rodent for food. Also, I can tell you we DO NOT force feed our animals, that is 100% NOT policy in any way,shape ,or form. We feed frozen thaw and as of yet I have not had any animal refuse to eat while in my care. All of our stores should also be stocking frozen rats ( they are smalls and come in a two pack ). I do not think petsmart gets everything right, but I know that our policies have the health of the animals in mind. I have spent almost three hundred dollars of company funds on vet bills for a single 35 dollar G. Pig, then had to find someone to adopt the animal( no charge)because I could not sell it with known issues. I realize our reputation isn't the best, but I can tell you there are many good people working for the company, and more than a few idiots. Btw, I CAN also be fired for posting on this forum and letting it be known I am an employee of Petsmart.

Severum11

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Petsmart :/

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

Petsmart :/

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sorry. thought you were talking about

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Originally Posted by shadi11

a little over a year ago I didnt have a job for about six months.. One day at petco I think it was I saw a sign saying now hiring reptile specialist. I actually said that may not be so bad to get me thru. Then I had to think. Doesnt matter how much you know or that youve owned reptiles for 20 years, like I have. What matters is what they want you to teach. And if you vary from that. your not keeping that job. I talked to the assistant manager who knew me from another forum I frequent. And he even said he couldnt hire me. He knows I wouldnt follow policy about what is supposed to be said. I would follow what I get caught now walking thru the store telling customers. After the "specialist" gave them not so great information.

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my mistake. but I'm encouraged to inform.
it isn't helpful when people think you actually can keep 5 goldfish in a bowl and leave them there without cleaning and expect them to live a long and healthy life.

but maybe it just depends on the manager?
I'm sure if i had a stubborn manager he or she would be telling me to never stray from what little (but helpful) information is presented in a printed out care guide.
maybe they don't want to hear "well i spoke with someone and they told me it would be ok to do _______ and now my _______ is dead."

i don't know but as i said before...
i don't want to be stupid because i hope to own so many of these animals for myself so i try to be informed.
my opinion on my own experiences.
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Originally Posted by Severum11

The company doesn't want an individuals opinion to be mistaken for the companys position on any given subject. Last year we had to sign off on a policy that dealt with posting comments relating to PetSmart on public forums, inernet sites, and the like. I am violating that policy. On a side note, I can tell you what I believe to be the reason we do not sell live feeders, it is rather simple.... P.E.T.A.. Heck, we are not supposed to refer to our feeder fish as feeders.

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so you can feed ugly animals to other animals but cute little fuzzy rodents that pose population issues in 90% of there natural habitat are not ok to use as food? now that's just hypocritical

my local petsmart bairly carries any Herp stuff, they sell them tho but provide you with NOTHING to purchase to properly care for them when they arrive home. no UTH, no CHE, to regulators or dimmers no digital metering devices of any kind. i saw no Reptile substrate, sand, eco earth or Aspen. i should really go take a photo of there lowly herp section. AND last time i was in there there was a long tailed lizard laying dead half in there water dish with a bunch of decaying crickets in the cage and the girl behind the counter was oblivious untill i pointed it pout. then she said she would get some one els to clean it up as she wasnt fond of lisards.

its simple dont shop there period for anything!
its also their store policy to abuse reptiles, and give false husbandry information about all of their reptiles.
since when do cornsnakes eat lettuce?
should turtles be housed with chinese water dragons?
then their supposed vets are nothing but jokes.

their dog training is an even bigger joke. they wanted me to let me "train" my dog when my dog was the only one in the store not trying to jump on customers or trying to run and bark. the only time mine misbehaves is when one of the other dogs is showing aggression to her in which case her hair will stand up and she takes a defensive posture, but she will still listen to me

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its simple dont shop there period for anything!
its also their store policy to abuse reptiles, and give false husbandry information about all of their reptiles.
since when do cornsnakes eat lettuce?
should turtles be housed with chinese water dragons?
then their supposed vets are nothing but jokes.

their dog training is an even bigger joke. they wanted me to let me "train" my dog when my dog was the only one in the store not trying to jump on customers or trying to run and bark. the only time mine misbehaves is when one of the other dogs is showing aggression to her in which case her hair will stand up and she takes a defensive posture, but she will still listen to me

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i went in there to see if i could rescue a beardie for my girlfriends twin sis. seeing as i know they are not usually taken care of well in big chains. well they had one. it wasnt curious or active like they should be it was a lump. and seeing as they had soooooo little herp stuff there i didnt get it because i was even skeptical of the fact they they would have the proper packaging to trans port it home when the temperature was sub zero outside.

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i went in there to see if i could rescue a beardie for my girlfriends twin sis. seeing as i know they are not usually taken care of well in big chains. well they had one. it wasnt curious or active like they should be it was a lump. and seeing as they had soooooo little herp stuff there i didnt get it because i was even skeptical of the fact they they would have the proper packaging to trans port it home when the temperature was sub zero outside.

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do you mean a cardboard box isnt proper packaging:rofl:
i wouldnt get a beardie or anything else from there.
from the sounds of it that beardie probally has some issues. more that likely a heavy parasite load candidate

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do you mean a cardboard box isnt proper packaging:rofl:
i wouldnt get a beardie or anything else from there.
from the sounds of it that beardie probally has some issues. more that likely a heavy parasite load candidate

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lol you need a little more then a box to walk to a car a city block away in -18*C weather its so cold and windy here right now you have no idea.

with wind chill it feels like -29*C some nights

-18*F = = -0.4*F soo yah and they probably didnt have a box anyhow :P

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i walk in to my local pet store and say its dinner day and they give me live no problem. i find that funny. poor girl must think they eat kibble.

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what.. your snakes don't eat kibble? mine do....:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

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what.. your snakes don't eat kibble? mine do....:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

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lol last night i gave my self a visual of a my boy crunching down some alpo and i laughed for a few min it was good :P

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lol last night i gave my self a visual of a my boy crunching down some alpo and i laughed for a few min it was good :P

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how about that shelf full of worthless gimics aimed at making the owner think he/she is doing her animal a favor. personally i got my snakes switched over to that can o worms stuff it lasts forever

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how about that shelf full of worthless gimics aimed at making the owner think he/she is doing her animal a favor. personally i got my snakes switched over to that can o worms stuff it lasts forever

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well i was thinking that my snake should like beardie kibble (yes they do sell it LOL)

For all of these petsmart employees. I have to ask how you feed the snakes when there is several in a cage do you take each one out and feed it separately and then keep it out for atleast 24 hours and bath it so that the smell of food is no longer on the animal. When I feed my snakes during breeding season I was always told that you need to keep them apart after feeding to keep from canibalism. I would think this could be very important especially with kingsnakes seeing that there food of choice is snake. But what do i know I have only been keeping snakes for almost 10 years now. I also would like to know how you get all those ball pythons to take frozen mice straight out of the egg. I can tell that most of the stock at these stores is only about a month old at that unless you are only feeding them once a month. Most breeders take several weeks if not months to get a baby to switch over to frozen. Unless everyone i know is lying to me and thats only my problem.

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For all of these petsmart employees. I have to ask how you feed the snakes when there is several in a cage do you take each one out and feed it separately and then keep it out for atleast 24 hours and bath it so that the smell of food is no longer on the animal. When I feed my snakes during breeding season I was always told that you need to keep them apart after feeding to keep from canibalism. I would think this could be very important especially with kingsnakes seeing that there food of choice is snake. But what do i know I have only been keeping snakes for almost 10 years now. I also would like to know how you get all those ball pythons to take frozen mice straight out of the egg. I can tell that most of the stock at these stores is only about a month old at that unless you are only feeding them once a month. Most breeders take several weeks if not months to get a baby to switch over to frozen. Unless everyone i know is lying to me and thats only my problem.

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no to mention you ever see 2 snakes constrict on one pray item? NEVER turns out pretty... and i agree how do you get a snake to eat F/T out of the egg when they are pre programmed for live due to years of evolution.

I think a big reason why corporate insists employees stick to telling customers the official corporate approved care and husbandry policies is for standardization. They need to have a standard, so that no matter what location a customer goes to they will receive the same information. Unfortunately the standard care and husbandry information isn't always good.

But like someone mentioned it saves them from an unhappy customer saying they received differing information from each store. There are plenty of people who think they know what they are talking about, and think they are helping, when in fact they are giving equally bad or worse advice than the official caresheet employees are supposed to abide by.

The big chain petstores rely on misinformed, uneducated people to buy their animals. Its worked for years, so why change? The money is coming in, so who cares if a few animals die? To us it's a poor helpless animal that died. To corporate it's just numbers, a business expense, a write-off. Sad but true.