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boa barn as in paul miles?

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Originally Posted by greghall

Paul Miles has been doing reptiles a long time he was into albino boas when they first started .Thats his business name.

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i wouldnt ever deal with him again after that supposed rat eating albino he sold me. it hardly eats mice once a week

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Originally Posted by nixer

i wouldnt ever deal with him again after that supposed rat eating albino he sold me. it hardly eats mice once a week

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Why do you people have to slam people all the time on this site! he has some great animals & is very knowledgable,not all ball pythons are trash cans if you know anything about ball pythons is that they eat & sometimes they don't !I have 5 BP's from paul & they are great eaters & yes my albino is a trash can eats & breeds like a champ & yes is related to yours if you got it from Paul.

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Originally Posted by greghall

Why do you people have to slam people all the time on this site! he has some great animals & is very knowledgable,not all ball pythons are trash cans if you know anything about ball pythons is that they eat & sometimes they don't !I have 5 BP's from paul & they are great eaters & yes my albino is a trash can eats & breeds like a champ & yes is related to yours if you got it from Paul.

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perhaps then he sold the one he had advertised on ks to you and sent me trash. for the rest of that post thats funny ive got how many snakes:D.
as for the trash can comment i dont think eating one mouse every 2 weeks tops as being anything close to a supposed rat feeder as advertised.

thats why lots of breeders don't get on this site anymore & I just wanted to share some pics of some amazing animals you did not have to chime in,on one proplem feeder that you have we all have had a proplem feeder at one time or another.

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Originally Posted by greghall

thats why lots of breeders don't get on this site anymore & I just wanted to share some pics of some amazing animals you did not have to chime in,on one proplem feeder that you have we all have had a proplem feeder at one time or another.

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which breeders would you not be seeing in here anymore. i see all sorts of them on here all the time.
you shared your pics and then when i posted my experience with an animal from said breeder which was sold as a rat eater which it never has even tryed to take a rat in the 2.5 years iave had the animal. you want to flame me. you should be flaming the person who falsely advertised!

your the flamer who started the fire

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Originally Posted by nixer

i wouldnt ever deal with him again after that supposed rat eating albino he sold me. it hardly eats mice once a week

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thats flaming? no thats the truth!
flaming is what you did in reply to me saying that!

can you stop PLEASE I just wanted to show off some nice animals

This should have been deleted sorry i ever posted!

JUst a simple question: Is it not possible for a bp that eats rats well to just go off of them, especially if you change their environment? I ask because the assumption is that if the breeder said the snake east rats and the snake won't for the new owner, the breeder must have been lying. But, in my limited experience, snakes WILL suddenly stop eating rats and only want mice. 50% of my snakes have done that. ; (I have two... :D)

So, rather than assume the breeder lied, why not assume the snake changed?

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Originally Posted by ZinniaZ

JUst a simple question: Is it not possible for a bp that eats rats well to just go off of them, especially if you change their environment? I ask because the assumption is that if the breeder said the snake east rats and the snake won't for the new owner, the breeder must have been lying. But, in my limited experience, snakes WILL suddenly stop eating rats and only want mice. 50% of my snakes have done that. ; (I have two... :D)

So, rather than assume the breeder lied, why not assume the snake changed?

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this snake went from supposedly eating rats to being a problem feeder period!
in the 50 snakes i have ive never seen one that went from eating rats to barely eating 1 mouse every few weeks. in over 2 years this snake will refuse sometimes months at a time.

i have seen them just want mice but they still eat weekly.

Well, I'm sorry that your snake is a tough feeder. :( I really stress about that with ours.

To be fair, I still think it could have been only the change of environment or some other factor that put the snake off food. Or it could have been a tough feeder from the start. There's no way to know for sure. But again, I am sorry your snake is so picky.

So, did you contact Mr. Miles to let him know your dis-satisfaction? And did he offer anything (like exchanging your animal, letting you return it, etc)? And if he didn't, did you start a BOI thread, or have you just been stewing on this?

Is Mr. Miles even aware that you are unhappy with the animal that your received?

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Originally Posted by rabernet

So, did you contact Mr. Miles to let him know your dis-satisfaction? And did he offer anything (like exchanging your animal, letting you return it, etc)? And if he didn't, did you start a BOI thread, or have you just been stewing on this?

Is Mr. Miles even aware that you are unhappy with the animal that your received?

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i couldnt in a timely fashion, because i didnt have a phone number and i lost my email address. when i could i posted something on fauna about the snake. which it seems some of his own workers goes there, but i have never heard or talked to him. it ate 2 times with me at first after i had put it in the earlier mentioned setup and purely just figured the snake just went to mice (like someone else mentioned)then it went down hill, so i left it at that. once i gained some more knowledge i realized that this deal was very sour. enough that it should be shared.

Since you've not given the seller the opportunity to make it right with you, I don't see how that makes him a bad guy? And you said he ate rats twice for you when you first got him. I doubt that he "programmed" him to eat fine for you twice, then suddenly switch to mice.

I fail to see where the seller did anything wrong. The BOI would be a great place if you have a genuine complaint that you can't get resolved man to man with the seller.

In the future, if you have a complaint about someone - posting about them in someone else's picture thread is not the place to interject. A thread down here does quite nicely.

I did a quick Google search for Paul Miles and Boa Barn and found contact information rather easily. Why don't you try contacting him now, rather than calling him out as a bad guy? Would you like someone doing the same to you if they never contacted you about their un-happiness in a deal with you and didn't give you an opportunity to respond?

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Since you've not given the seller the opportunity to make it right with you, I don't see how that makes him a bad guy? And you said he ate rats twice for you when you first got him. I doubt that he "programmed" him to eat fine for you twice, then suddenly switch to rats.

I fail to see where the seller did anything wrong. The BOI would be a great place if you have a genuine complaint that you can't get resolved man to man with the seller.

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i said i would not deal with him again based purely on this snake.

she never ate a rat or even showed any interest in a rat ever. it never ate fine it only ate (small mice live)the 2 times after i worked with it and stuffed a 300 gram snake in a 6qt tub and jammed 2 hides and a water bowl in the tub.

oh yea and that was about 3 weeks before i got it to eat the first time

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Originally Posted by greghall

can you stop PLEASE I just wanted to show off some nice animals

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To Nixer:

If you have had personal or business issues with Paul I think you should e-mail him and not try to shoot down a thread which another user created simply to show his animals, I think that was very disrespectful of you. This thread was NOT about YOU or your problem but you didn't seem to care and hijacked it anyway.

Nixer i completly understand your frustration but with that said I would have gave Paul a chance to make it right. We recently bought a group of snakes that wont eat anything for me at the moment but i assumed due to my altitude difference and humidity difference they were just getting accustome. Cage size differance also makes a big diference like I had a super pastel and mojave eat rats once a week for about a year and then all of the sudden they would only eat mice, idk. I agree with Robin in that you should email or call paul so that he can fix the problem and you dont make others re-consider doing business with him purely on your snake only eating rats.
As I said understandable that you are upset with it eating mice, but if Paul had been notified he could have taken care of it within a week of knowing.

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Originally Posted by NsloaN

I agree with Robin in that you should email or call paul so that he can fix the problem and you dont make others re-consider doing business with him purely on your snake only eating rats.
As I said understandable that you are upset with it eating mice, but if Paul had been notified he could have taken care of it within a week of knowing.

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i agree with the fact that i should of notified him but couldnt find any contact info on him, which i know isnt his fault.

its not that it only eats mice that i couldnt blame him as some can and do switch but this snake still to this day will only eat every 2 weeks if im lucky.

I have a Mojave that ravenously ate f/t thawed rats for 2 years and then went on a 2 month hunger strike. When it started eating again, it will only eat live mice. Won't eat a live rat and won't eat f/t anything. I am not happy about that but have no explanation.

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Originally Posted by nixer

i agree with the fact that i should of notified him but couldnt find any contact info on him, which i know isnt his fault.
its not that it only eats mice that i couldnt blame him as some can and do switch but this snake still to this day will only eat every 2 weeks if im lucky.

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So you'll never do business with him again, and yet you never gave him the opportunity to help you out and come up with a solution (be it replacing the animal, or allowing you to return the animal for a full refund)?

How can a seller address your concerns, when he was never even told that you weren't satisfied? And then be painted as a bad guy? He's supposed to telepathically know you had a problem?

I've got a male het pied from someone who he ate for every single week before he was shipped to me. I've got the feeding records.

He eats once a month or once every two months if I'm lucky. They all tend to pound food as hatchlings, then something, be it a change in environment, etc just torques them, and it throws them off. I don't blame the seller that my het pied is a poor feeder - it's just that snake and is no reflection on the quality of the other animals I've received from the same seller. And I've got some more animals coming in from them.

I've never complained to this seller about this male either - I know that he's housed properly and I know that each animal is unique.

Sorry you felt that you were "had" by the Boa Barn, but I don't see any evidence that supports that claim. Especially in light of them not even being told you had an issue with them.

And just an Edit - I just googled "Boa Barn" and this link was the very first return from the search: http://www.screameleons.com/desktopd...ias=theboabarn

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Originally Posted by nixer

i agree with the fact that i should of notified him but couldnt find any contact info on him, which i know isnt his fault.

its not that it only eats mice that i couldnt blame him as some can and do switch but this snake still to this day will only eat every 2 weeks if im lucky.

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Have you met a ball python before? They go off feed, that's a common thing that they do, especially as they reach that magic weight of 1000 grams. (not saying yours is 1000 grams, just stating an observation)

I strongly believe that it is not the breeders fault for an animal to go off feed when in anothers collection for any length of time.

Breeders do not train their animals to eat, they offer food to them regularly and the snake chooses to eat or not. If the animal is sick, they make them better (at least they should) before they sell. They represent the animals truthfully and to the best of their knowledge.

Even Tracy and Dave Barker of VPI state in their Ball Python book that NO breeder can guarantee that an animal will eat once it is in a new collection. I also feel that it is impossible to guarantee that because the breeder has no control over the animal once it leaves their collection; however I do believe it is the breeders responsibility to let the buyer know if the animal eats regularly or not while in their own collection.

If you feel that this guy was dishonest, you really should talk with them first before flaming them in a forum, where the breeder doesn't know you are making a public grievance against them that you never sought to make right.

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

Have you met a ball python before? They go off feed, that's a common thing that they do, especially as they reach that magic weight of 1000 grams. (not saying yours is 1000 grams, just stating an observation)

I strongly believe that it is not the breeders fault for an animal to go off feed when in anothers collection for any length of time.

Breeders do not train their animals to eat, they offer food to them regularly and the snake chooses to eat or not. If the animal is sick, they make them better (at least they should) before they sell. They represent the animals truthfully and to the best of their knowledge.

Even Tracy and Dave Barker of VPI state in their Ball Python book that NO breeder can guarantee that an animal will eat once it is in a new collection. I also feel that it is impossible to guarantee that because the breeder has no control over the animal once it leaves their collection; however I do believe it is the breeders responsibility to let the buyer know if the animal eats regularly or not while in their own collection.

If you feel that this guy was dishonest, you really should talk with them first before flaming them in a forum, where the breeder doesn't know you are making a public grievance against them that you never sought to make right.

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I agree 100%.