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im getting a baby blonde pastel BP should i keep her in her own cages until shes big enough to be put with my other BP's

You should keep her in her own cage permanently.

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Originally Posted by xdeus

You should keep her in her own cage permanently.

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Agreed. Ball pythons are solitary animals who do best in their own enclosure.

why is that im gonna breed her

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Originally Posted by zombie&lemons

im getting a baby blonde pastel BP should i keep her in her own cages until shes big enough to be put with my other BP's

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If she is a baby, it will be a few years before she is ready to breed. You need to quarantine her for 60 days. And give her, her very own enclosure. As stated bps are solitary creatures, and need to be housed separately.

Well she probably will not breed until next year, all BP's need their own enclosure, the only exception is breeding season and then the male is rotated, he is not left in the same enclosure throughout the breeding season.

Yeah if you want pets that are good social animals rats are good for that AND will produce some nummy treats for your snakes :P

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

Yeah if you want pets that are good social animals rats are good for that AND will produce some nummy treats for your snakes :P

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Ha ha.... I like this idea...

ok cool ill build her a cage asap

i think you need to do some more research on breeding. i have been researching ball pythons for a while now and i still dont know alot. theres alot more to learn than you think. so please do reasearch. i seen people get into the hobby and become frustrated because nothing is working then they give up everything and get out of the hobby. its not fun that way. learn all you can and enjoy the hobby.

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Originally Posted by zombie&lemons

im getting a baby blonde pastel BP should i keep her in her own cages until shes big enough to be put with my other BP's

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Do you house your other ball pythons together? Didn't you just get the WC ball? Do you QT your animals?

Your new hatchling ball python won't likely be ready to breed for three winters. This is winter one.

i know i have a lot of time before i breed them. If i would of research more on here i would of built a rack instead of a cage. i jused to have another BP and they were housed together and never had any problems they had there own hides and everything. as big as the cage i got i dont think there should be much of a problem plenty of hides lots of etc in the cage so yeah dis me all you want

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Originally Posted by zombie&lemons

dis me all you want

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Just remember, you asked for it.

Zombie, you have close to 70 post now since you joined. You spent about 5 of them asking questions...and the other 60 odd post you spent disputing or flat ignorng the very advice you've asked for. Can you see where that might get a little old.

You house a WC, that you have not quarentined, in the same room as the rest of your snakes...despite better advice, because you got it from a clean store that specializes in morphs and employs a vet. You know best, right.

You house 2 BP's together in the same enclosure, and seem to be looking to add a third...despite better advice, because you have a really big cage with a lot of hides. You know best, right.

In addtion, you still can't seem to capitalize a sentence or use a comma...despite some good natured ribbing letting you know how hard it is to read your post. Oh yeah, they don't teach that stuff at your school.

The good folks here on BP.net give advice based on their experience...good advice that you ask for. Disregarding that advice is not a smart move, and could end up harming the animals who are in your charge. :disbelief

I personally don't agree with housing two or more snakes together, but wasn't there a guy that kept 26 snakes in one huge enclosure and they all thrived?

Just wondering...

And Zombie, no offense, but you were asking for it (especially with Slim reading this thread :P)

:O :weirdface :O

They keep about 50 rattlesnakes in the same pit at the I-95 Serpentarium in Florida too, but like you said Dutch, it still ain't a good idea.

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Originally Posted by Slim

:O :weirdface :O

They keep about 50 rattlesnakes in the same pit at the I-95 Serpentarium in Florida too, but like you said Dutch, it still ain't a good idea.

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Yeah mate I'm with you on that one. Although, rattlesnakes is a slightly more natural as they do hibernate together... but of course don't spend their whole life with each other.

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Originally Posted by zombie&lemons

im getting a baby blonde pastel BP should i keep her in her own cages until shes big enough to be put with my other BP's

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All your snakes should have their own enclosures. Whether you put them in tanks or tubs is up to you, but they NEED to be separated. Dominance is always going to be an issue, and probably even more so when adding a baby to the enclosure that is already housing older snakes. BP's are solitary snakes. Hopefully you at least quarantine this new one - unlike the WC BP.

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Originally Posted by zombie&lemons

why is that im gonna breed her

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They don't need to be together, unless they are breeding. Even that is temporary. They eventually have to go back into their OWN enclosures.

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Originally Posted by zombie&lemons

ok cool ill build her a cage asap

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Man, I sure hope so :weirdface

Just like I tell my young-uns "A hard head makes a soft behind". Live and learn I guess. I wish you all the best.

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Originally Posted by Slim

Just remember, you asked for it.

Zombie, you have close to 70 post now since you joined. You spent about 5 of them asking questions...and the other 60 odd post you spent disputing or flat ignorng the very advice you've asked for. Can you see where that might get a little old.

You house a WC, that you have not quarentined, in the same room as the rest of your snakes...despite better advice, because you got it from a clean store that specializes in morphs and employs a vet. You know best, right.

You house 2 BP's together in the same enclosure, and seem to be looking to add a third...despite better advice, because you have a really big cage with a lot of hides. You know best, right.

In addtion, you still can't seem to capitalize a sentence or use a comma...despite some good natured ribbing letting you know how hard it is to read your post. Oh yeah, they don't teach that stuff at your school.

The good folks here on BP.net give advice based on their experience...good advice that you ask for. Disregarding that advice is not a smart move, and could end up harming the animals who are in your charge. :disbelief

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Originally Posted by Slim

:O :weirdface :O

They keep about 50 rattlesnakes in the same pit at the I-95 Serpentarium in Florida too, but like you said Dutch, it still ain't a good idea.

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Keep Thuggin Slim :D

I only have one ball python. She is a pet, I dont plan on breeding her or anything of the sort. But even I read and ask questions.

DO RESEARCH.

My advice, and probably everyone else reading this, give your baby bp its own enclosure. One of the biggest mistakes that popped up when I was reading you posts was that you said how big you enclosure was and how much space for your snakes there is.

1. having big enclosures, it is very hard to regulate the temp. and the humid. that these snakes need to be healthy and thrive
2. you want to put a baby in a big enclosure and you expect it to eat properly? bp`s like smaller enclosures they feel safer in these areas

Do you and your animals a favor and read up everything you can about these creatures and their breeding habits. You should take small steps at a time. If you arent even sure about their enclosures yet, i would really recommend not even thinking about breeding until you have that knowledge below your belt.

and no, Im not "dissing" you. but remember you are dealing with living breathing creatures who depend on you to keep them healthy and happy. So eat up all the knowledge you can so they can live a happy life.

E-thuggery!

E-Thugs Unite!!!!


And free Jasballs....:rofl::rofl::rofl:

:rolleyes:

im building a sepreat enclosure for my baby in all yall advice i might just take a basball bat to my cage and make a rack. really dont have the money but i dont really have a choice do i????

good thinking

i give up im just gonna sell all my snakes

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Originally Posted by zombie&lemons

im building a sepreat enclosure for my baby in all yall advice i might just take a basball bat to my cage and make a rack. really dont have the money but i dont really have a choice do i????

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Smart move. You could have built a killer rack for what you've already spent on the cage. We all live an learn.

Why not pick yourself a few sterilite tubs, some flexwatt, a cheap thermostat, some cheap water bowls and hides, and call it a day? You can set up a ball python for about $60-$80 bucks depending on how cheap you want to go. Hell, use your hides and water bowls and you can probably save yourself some more money. Stop being so doom and gloom about the fact that we're not concerned about your feelings, but the livelihood of your snakes.

And as far as money is concerned, if you didn't have enough money to properly house your own snakes, you shouldn't be buying more animals or trying to breed for that matter. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and READ our advice. Please.

House your snakes in separate, properly-sized enclosures. You can get really, really cheap tubs at WalMart and Target. Go to Lowes or Home Depot or Builders Square(do they still have those?), or some other hardware store. Big Lots! You don't need a $5000 enclosure. Or a $500 or $200 one for that matter. You can "more-than-get-by" with a plastic tub.

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Originally Posted by zombie&lemons

yeah dis me all you want

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Please dude saying stuff like this will get you no where

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Originally Posted by Slim

Just remember, you asked for it.

Zombie, you have close to 70 post now since you joined. You spent about 5 of them asking questions...and the other 60 odd post you spent disputing or flat ignorng the very advice you've asked for. Can you see where that might get a little old.

You house a WC, that you have not quarentined, in the same room as the rest of your snakes...despite better advice, because you got it from a clean store that specializes in morphs and employs a vet. You know best, right.

You house 2 BP's together in the same enclosure, and seem to be looking to add a third...despite better advice, because you have a really big cage with a lot of hides. You know best, right.

In addtion, you still can't seem to capitalize a sentence or use a comma...despite some good natured ribbing letting you know how hard it is to read your post. Oh yeah, they don't teach that stuff at your school.

The good folks here on BP.net give advice based on their experience...good advice that you ask for. Disregarding that advice is not a smart move, and could end up harming the animals who are in your charge. :disbelief

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Listen to Slim he don't know it all but he is pretty smart.....

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Originally Posted by DutchHerp

E-thuggery!

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E-Thuggery is no laughing matter this is serious Guido business!!!!

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Originally Posted by Slim

E-Thugs Unite!!!!


And free Jasballs....:rofl::rofl::rofl:

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Im changing my little title to that...

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Originally Posted by zombie&lemons

im building a sepreat enclosure for my baby in all yall advice i might just take a basball bat to my cage and make a rack. really dont have the money but i dont really have a choice do i????

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Please man if you don't have the money to house two don't get a third...

In due time my friend!

And listen these people arn't trying to be mean they are trying to get you to listen!

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Originally Posted by zombie&lemons

i know i have a lot of time before i breed them. If i would of research more on here i would of built a rack instead of a cage. i jused to have another BP and they were housed together and never had any problems they had there own hides and everything. as big as the cage i got i dont think there should be much of a problem plenty of hides lots of etc in the cage so yeah dis me all you want

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I've been over this three times and still don't know what you are trying to say.The only time I keep ANY of mine together is when breeding or when they are fresh out of the egg and waiting for the babies to shed.

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Originally Posted by zombie&lemons

i give up im just gonna sell all my snakes

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well theyll stay together till i get money to build a rack till then oh well im taking to the vet anyways if there sick ill QT them the best i can there isnt really room cause they have to stay in my room. so yeah im stuck for now. wanna donate some money to build me a rack?????

lets close the doors on this one bye

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Originally Posted by zombie&lemons

i give up im just gonna sell all my snakes

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How much you want for the Blonde Pastel? :rofl:

Ok, ok, that was mean....I'm done now.

Im so confused. No one is trying to be insulting, or "hurt your feelings". This isnt personal. We just care about snakes, obviously.

You dont have to sell your snakes, or give up or what have you. Just listen to the advice. Buy three tupperware bins from somewhere, put some substrate in it, hides, water , heat. youre golden.

I bought mine a 10 gallon tank for only 10 bucks. it doesnt have to be alot of money. You just have to care enough to do these things, and set it up properly.

no im not selling the pastel im making her her own cage until she can join the group sorry but unlike somepeople i dont really have room for a rack until i move out of mom and dads house then yes ill built a rack

one more thing i talked to my dads best friend that has raised and breed BP for 30 years and she says its ok to house more than one unless one is pregnant. Then you seperat her from the group sorry im going with a woman that almost 60 and has had BP, boas and tons of other pythons

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Originally Posted by zombie&lemons

one more thing i talked to my dads best friend that has raised and breed BP for 30 years and she says its ok to house more than one unless one is pregnant. Then you seperat her from the group sorry im going with a woman that almost 60 and has had BP, boas and tons of other pythons

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Hey, you know what? That's your choice, but most of the people here will wash their hands of you if you make that choice. You're putting your snakes lives in a dangerous position. But hey? What do I know, right?

Just keep these pictures as a reminder.

http://www.rcreptiles.com/forum/about1343.html

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Originally Posted by Melicious

Hey, you know what? That's your choice, but most of the people here will wash their hands of you if you make that choice. You're putting your snakes lives in a dangerous position. But hey? What do I know, right?

Just keep these pictures as a reminder.

http://www.rcreptiles.com/forum/about1343.html

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those were the grossest pictures ever. I hope that scares him a little.


Do what you feel is best. Listen to people in the business and love and adore snakes who all agree on here. Or listen to your older friend, im sure she has alot of good advice. But remember, alot of things were done differently in the past, ESPECIALLY with snakes.

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Originally Posted by zombie&lemons

one more thing i talked to my dads best friend that has raised and breed BP for 30 years and she says its ok to house more than one unless one is pregnant. Then you seperat her from the group sorry im going with a woman that almost 60 and has had BP, boas and tons of other pythons

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you're going with the woman because that's most convenient for you.

Thanks for posting that link, Melicious.

It probably won't give any serious problems, but you're DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY NOT doing your snakes favors.

You can take my word on that one.

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Originally Posted by zombie&lemons

no im not selling the pastel im making her her own cage until she can join the group sorry but unlike somepeople i dont really have room for a rack until i move out of mom and dads house then yes ill built a rack

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you have room for a giant enclosure for all the snakes to be in, but dont have room for a rack? Correct me if Im wrong, but isnt one of the points of racks to be space efficient? They are created so you can have multiple snakes safely enclosed with everything they need, with out spending lots of money and having tanks everywhere.

I will get banned(or receive a major infraction) if I say what I think about this guy. So I'll jus say to please listen to us dude...it isn't hard to follow proper husbandry with these things. I'm in college and can afford correct enclosures for 3 bp's...a 26 y/o should be more than able to.

Just an FYI, I house 32 Ball Pythons in the space it takes to hold that huge cage. That's three racks, not just one. All of the snakes are separated, they thrive, eat and no one is cannibalizing each other.

Why not email Adam @ 8Ball Pythons, Tim Bailey @ Bailey & Bailey, Brian & Lori @ BHB, Ralph Davis(no other name needed), Kara & Kevin @ NERD, and quite a few other huge breeders who love their snakes like pets, and definitely all have more than just a measley 60 Ball Pythons to their names... NONE of them will say it is OK to house multiple Ball Pythons in a single, huge, poorly insulated/heated enclosure.

They will dominate each other, which creates one dominant snake and the rest submissive. The dominant snake may be a good feeder or he/she will be flighty/bitey/strikey. The rest of the snakes who are submissive will show that they are not comfortable with the housing situation by fasting, losing weight, they may become apathetic(not showing interest in their world such as with WC snakes), etc.

There is no reason to house multiple snakes together unless it is breeding season. Housing separately is as easy as buying a few Sterilite tubs, some bungee cords, a soldering iron(or just drilling the holes with a drillbit), some newspaper, flexwatt or undertank heaters, water bowls from the dollar store, and a hide or two(less than 50 cents from Home Depot).

If you want to risk the health of your snakes just for the sake of saving some space and money(but you can build a separate huge enclosure for the tiny female Pastel, and she likely won't eat or thrive) then go right ahead, but don't expect help from people when your snakes decide to eat each other, or won't eat, or suddenly get respiratory infections from the improper husbandry or just from the STRESS of being together constantly. Stress results in a lowered immune system, and coupled with improper husbandry(huge cage, poor insulation, low humidity, cooler temps) will result in respiratory infections. RIs are contagious and when snakes are kept together, they will all catch it. Save money? Hah... They will all require injectable antibiotics, special heating/humidity, and separate enclosures to prevent it from spreading.

So how is housing them together proactive? How will it save you money or space if all of the snakes get sick and end up needing to be housed separately anyway?

15qt tubs cost $3, 28qt tubs are $4, 32qt tubs are $7 and 41qt tubs are $8... No excuse.

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Originally Posted by zombie&lemons

one more thing i talked to my dads best friend that has raised and breed BP for 30 years and she says its ok to house more than one unless one is pregnant. Then you seperat her from the group sorry im going with a woman that almost 60 and has had BP, boas and tons of other pythons

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This one post sums up my whole experience with you on this Forum. You ask, you are told, you find some excuse for not following advice.

This is officially the last time I will ever post in one of your threads.....

I do however reserve the right to :fishslap: you if you ever start giving bad advice to others in the future.

Out

don't underestimate slim...he'll e-thug the hell out of you too

hey man, if your not gonna listen to the advise you asked for, dont ask and do as you will. coming on here and asking for advise and then getting mad cause the advise you got was not what you wanted to hear its not right. just dont ask and do what you gonna do anyways. sorry to be an @$$ but thats reality.

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Originally Posted by MUSTANGGTANDGSXR

hey man, if your not gonna listen to the advise you asked for, dont ask and do as you will. coming on here and asking for advise and then getting mad cause the advise you got was not what you wanted to hear its not right. just dont ask and do what you gonna do anyways. sorry to be an @$$ but thats reality.

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Exactly what I was thinking.

I, like many others consider this board the most important asset in raising my BP. The advice you'll receive here is from experienced owners and breeders who know what they are talking about. By laying your cards out on the table you should expect a little criticism. And it's not to mock you it's to guide you so that you will find success in raising your BP's.

You gotta stay focused on the little guys and gals you've got right now, Make sure they are healthy and happy. Then down the line start getting more.

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Originally Posted by zombie&lemons

one more thing i talked to my dads best friend that has raised and breed BP for 30 years and she says its ok to house more than one unless one is pregnant. Then you seperat her from the group sorry im going with a woman that almost 60 and has had BP, boas and tons of other pythons

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She's been breeding ball pythons for 30 years? What's her name? With that amount of experience under her belt, she should be very well known in the ball python world! :)

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Originally Posted by SatanicIntention

Why not email Adam @ 8Ball Pythons, Tim Bailey @ Bailey & Bailey, Brian & Lori @ BHB, Ralph Davis(no other name needed), Kara & Kevin @ NERD, and quite a few other huge breeders who love their snakes like pets, and definitely all have more than just a measley 60 Ball Pythons to their names... NONE of them will say it is OK to house multiple Ball Pythons in a single, huge, poorly insulated/heated enclosure.

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Who's that?









Lol psych. Just trying to break the tension.


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If you aren't willing to listen to the advice and opinions you'll get, don't ask the question. Looking around until you find the person who tells you want you want to hear is rarely the way to do things. If you're the expert, and convinced you're right, why are you here with all us lowly folk who know (in your opinion) nothing?

OP, perhaps you don't belong here in this community where our animals are treated as beloved members of the family and are given the care and consideration they need to not only live but thrive. I'm sure there's a mill-breeder forum out there somewhere that'd welcome you with open arms.

The attitude that these animals don't deserve every last comfort we can give them sickens me. Is this the future of our hobby?