Silverstreak

We have just obtained a Silverstreak, derived from a Super Lemon Pastel X Cinnamon Pewter.

Is this Silverstreak carrying a Super Pastel gene? Or Pastel gene? Someone told me that if it were bred to say a Spider, it could produce Killer Bees....but i'm not sure that this animal is essentially a Super.

Either way, what would you recommend it is bred to?

Thanks!

no matter what you'll get some killer clutches! even if you bred it to a nomal you get pastels, and cinnys. if you want super pastels then go with a pastel. but if you threw in another cinny, you could get supper cinnys.

BTW where are the pics!!!

Here he is:

http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/w...om/silver1.jpg

http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/w...om/silver2.jpg

Looks like a pewter to me (Cinnamon X Pastel)

I agree.. it does look like a pewter. a silver streak would be lighter. Either way, beautiful snake and congrats on your new snake.

http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/w...m/P1010692.jpg

http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/w...m/P1010693.jpg

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Mind us asking how much you paid for him? Silverstreaks are a few grand while pewters can be found for 900-1200 bucks

Look in this thread.. http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...=silver+streak second post and then third post. In the second post several pictures down you will see a silver streak. third post, first picture you will see a pewter.

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

Mind us asking how much you paid for him? Silverstreaks are a few grand while pewters can be found for 900-1200 bucks

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He was £2K that's UK pounds, which is Silvers money not Pewter! So obviously i want to be sure!

Cheers

Also a silver streak is a super pastel, black pastel . A sterling is a super pastel, cinnamon.

The snake in the pic looks to be a cinnamon pewter or a low grade sterling.

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Originally Posted by Ladydragon

Look in this thread.. http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...=silver+streak second post and then third post. In the second post several pictures down you will see a silver streak. third post, first picture you will see a pewter.

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Thanks....yes I note the difference. Does look suspect......

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Originally Posted by jnjreptiles

Also a silver streak is a super pastel, black pastel . A sterling is a super pastel, cinnamon.

The snake in the pic looks to be a cinnamon pewter or a low grade sterling.

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Isnt a Pewter either Super Pastel X Black Pastel or it can be Super Pastel X Cin Pastel? (so that wouldnt be a Sterling but a Pewter)

The parent mating was aparently?! a Super lemon x Cin Pewter.

If that really was the pairing then he should be a silver. Who was the breeder?

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Originally Posted by tymilsom

Isnt a Pewter either Super Pastel X Black Pastel or it can be Super Pastel X Cin Pastel? (so that wouldnt be a Sterling but a Pewter)

The parent mating was aparently?! a Super lemon x Cin Pewter.

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A pewter is a cinnamon x pastel.
A black pewter is a black pastel x pastel

A sterling is a cinnamon pewter x pastel
A streak is a black pewter x pastel

The parents genetics sound right so maybe a ugly sterling?

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

If that really was the pairing then he should be a silver. Who was the breeder?

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The breeder was v. well know, if the UK dealer is to be believed.

Wait a second, I might have just solved this. what you say super pastelx cinn pastel,

When you say cin pastel, do you mean it was super pastel x pewter or super pastel x a normal cinny? I was thinking you meant it was superxpewter.

If it wasn't, that is surly a pewter.

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

Wait a second, I might have just solved this. what you say super pastelx cinn pastel,

When you say cin pastel, do you mean it was super pastel x pewter or super pastel x a normal cinny? I was thinking you meant it was superxpewter.

If it wasn't, that is surly a pewter.

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It was a Super Lemon Pastel x Cin Pewter

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Originally Posted by tymilsom

It was a Super Lemon Pastel x Cin Pewter

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hmm, I dont know what to say then. When I look at it, it looks like it could either be a awesome pewter or a low grade silver.

Trouble with most pic's of Silverstreaks that I have seen, is that they are new born, and so very pale, or adult and much darker. This chap is an 08 and grown on a bit.

Cheers

Looks like a pewter to me....super pastel to pewter does still make some pewters. May need to give that breeder a call....

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Originally Posted by Luke Martin

Looks like a pewter to me....super pastel to pewter does still make some pewters. May need to give that breeder a call....

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I agree. Thanks

edit, never mind

I would say it is a pewter. I have seen silver streaks around 3k and the pewters around 1100.00.

I agree with others that it looks like a pewter.

This is what a Cinnamon version (Sterling Pastel) of the Silver streak looks like at the approximate age of yours.

http://www.albeysreptiles.com/images...past07_2_5.jpg

Here is what the Cinnamon Version of a Pewter looks like at the same age.

http://www.albeysreptiles.com/images/pewtpast07_1_5.jpg

The one in your picture looks like a Black Pastel Pewter to me.

a silver streak would be patternless

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Originally Posted by Lucas339

a silver streak would be patternless

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I wouldn't go as far as to say there patternless, I'd say highly reduced. --Josh

It doesn't look like a silver streak or a sterling. It looks like a
Cinnamon Pewter to me. Albey's Sterling pics are spot-on (and very nice, too). Albey's Cinnamon Pewter pic is an exceptional animal, most are darker than that in my experience.
Here is a Black Pastel Pewter (Ian G line black pastel):
http://www.eastcoastreptilebreeders....lackpewter.jpg
And here is a picture of a mid-grade Silver Streak:
http://www.eastcoastreptilebreeders....erstreakok.jpg
And here is a picture of a nice Silver Streak:
http://www.eastcoastreptilebreeders....streaknice.jpg
And finally, a picture of an adult Silver Streak:
I have found that the pattern does get lighter on adults, but they are definitely NOT patternless.
http://www.eastcoastreptilebreeders....lverstreak.jpg

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Originally Posted by ColinWeaver

It doesn't look like a silver streak or a sterling. It looks like a
Cinnamon Pewter to me. Albey's Sterling pics are spot-on (and very nice, too). Albey's Cinnamon Pewter pic is an exceptional animal, most are darker than that in my experience.
Here is a Black Pastel Pewter (Ian G line black pastel):
http://www.eastcoastreptilebreeders....lackpewter.jpg
And here is a picture of a mid-grade Silver Streak:
http://www.eastcoastreptilebreeders....erstreakok.jpg
And here is a picture of a nice Silver Streak:
http://www.eastcoastreptilebreeders....streaknice.jpg
And finally, a picture of an adult Silver Streak:
I have found that the pattern does get lighter on adults, but they are definitely NOT patternless.
http://www.eastcoastreptilebreeders....lverstreak.jpg

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There you go....2nd picture down looks pretty much the one we have.

We have contacted the named breeder for confirmation....will let you know the outcome.

Thanks all.

I say thats defintely a pewter:) very nice

It is a pewter. If the pairing was a super pastel x pewter, the results would be:

25% Pastel
25% Super Pastel
25% Pastel Cinnamon (pewter)
25% Super Pastel Cinnamon (sterling/silverstreak)

So even if that was the pairing, it has every chance in the world to be a pewter.

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Originally Posted by ColinWeaver

It doesn't look like a silver streak or a sterling. It looks like a
Cinnamon Pewter to me. Albey's Sterling pics are spot-on (and very nice, too). Albey's Cinnamon Pewter pic is an exceptional animal, most are darker than that in my experience.
Here is a Black Pastel Pewter (Ian G line black pastel):
http://www.eastcoastreptilebreeders....lackpewter.jpg


And here is a picture of a nice Silver Streak:
http://www.eastcoastreptilebreeders....streaknice.jpg

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Colin, that Pewter and the “nice Silver Streak” are both exceptional. The Adult Silver Streak looks great also. The mid-grade Silver Streak, eh. LOL It just goes to show you that you should buy the animal not the line or name.

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Originally Posted by Lucas339

a silver streak would be patternless

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I believe you're thinking of a silver bullet :)

Hi,

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Originally Posted by tymilsom

Is this Silverstreak carrying a Super Pastel gene? Or Pastel gene? Someone told me that if it were bred to say a Spider, it could produce Killer Bees....but i'm not sure that this animal is essentially a Super.

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I don't know enough to add my tuppence to the pewter/ sterling discussion but I have to point our that even if it was a super pastel there is no way it could produce a killer bee if bred to a spider.

Since only one gene comes from each parent you would need the pastel gene to be present on both sides of the family tree.

So Superpastel x spider gives;

50% bumblebees
50% pastels.


dr del

Thats a Pewter, nearly identical to mine
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3079/...cc5639.jpg?v=0

I think this is a Streak??? :carrot: lol

This boy is 550 grams and will start "dating" in March. He looks Better than after his first hatch -- and really does look better than he appears in photos. His peach color pattern is difficult to capture.

http://www.ball-pythons.net/gallery/..._beeetc_13.jpg
http://www.ball-pythons.net/gallery/..._beeetc_16.jpg
http://www.ball-pythons.net/gallery/..._beeetc_17.jpg
http://www.ball-pythons.net/gallery/..._beeetc_18.jpg

Beauty either way, but hopefully you got what you paid for...

OK can put this one to bed now!

It IS a Silverstreak (although not a screamer!), and it was bred by Michael Cole, and shipped to Scales and Tails in the UK.

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by tymilsom

OK can put this one to bed now!

It IS a Silverstreak (although not a screamer!), and it was bred by Michael Cole, and shipped to Scales and Tails in the UK.

Thanks!

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Glad you were able to figure out its genetics. Although it is not a screamer, it is a very nice looking snake. I am envious, and would love to have one!!

Thanks! It is a great snake!

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Originally Posted by tymilsom

Thanks! It is a great snake!

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Looks like it. I really like the ghosted / light stripe down its back.