Have you ever seen this before???

I'm usually up on stuff like this, but I just noticed one of my animals has... what looks like heat pits on her CHIN!

I've never noticed it before, and wanted to know...

Do any of you out there have this on your animal?

I'm shocked!

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/IMG_0979.jpg

Seems more like an injury to me :/

Interesting....

Do the holes go all the way into the head? Or do they look like indentations in the skin? From the pic it looks like they are just small dips, kinda like what happens to your face when you sleep face down on your pillow.....

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Originally Posted by Bundu Boy

Interesting....

Do the holes go all the way into the head? Or do they look like indentations in the skin? From the pic it looks like they are just small dips, kinda like what happens to your face when you sleep face down on your pillow.....

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They go all the way into the head... Its not holes thru to the mouth, but they are very very similar to heat pits..

Thats a new one on me hun but I will be checking all the kids in the morning lol. Does it seem to hurt her if you touch the general area?

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Originally Posted by Royal Morphz

Thats a new one on me hun but I will be checking all the kids in the morning lol. Does it seem to hurt her if you touch the general area?

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Not really.. She has always been head shy, and maybe she is just extra sensitive due to having more heat pits?

Wow please keep us updated. I'll try to do some research as I've never heard of a snake having Heat pits on the bottom of there jaw line, but I will see if i can find anything out Heather. She seems ok as far as you can tell though?

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Originally Posted by Royal Morphz

Wow please keep us updated. I'll try to do some research as I've never heard of a snake having Heat pits on the bottom of there jaw line, but I will see if i can find anything out Heather. She seems ok as far as you can tell though?

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Yep...

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

Yep...

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Is she a morph heather?

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Originally Posted by AaronP

Is she a morph heather?

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No, she is a normal :)

That's definitely something different. I guess I'd lean towards it being an injury also, I guess we'll just have to see if it heals or not. It's really odd how evenly spaced out the holes are though. I've certainly never seen anything like it.

Yes, I have seen this before. I saw it yesterday at your place. hehe..

I saw this at a glance and it looked like some type of rat bite. However, when I took a closer look it was not an injury. Though the indents on the left could pass as a wound it actually seemed like merged pits (if that is what they are) while the pits on the right were more separated.

Congrats on the new morph - Plentypit Ball or Pittyfull Ball or P. Pitty hehehe
All you have to do is prove it out now... =)

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Originally Posted by Hyper Joe

Yes, I have seen this before. I saw it yesterday at your place. hehe..

I saw this at a glance and it looked like some type of rat bite. However, when I took a closer look it was not an injury. Though the indents on the left could pass as a wound it actually seemed like merged pits (if that is what they are) while the pits on the right were more separated.

Congrats on the new morph - Plentypit Ball or Pittyfull Ball or P. Pitty hehehe
All you have to do is prove it out now... =)

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At first glance it does look like teeth marks, but then you realize that it curves the wrong way to be that. Pretty interesting.

Flesh eating bacteria similar to those that cause cavities? ~_~

I got nothin...

Those are the craziest things I've ever seen, I hope she's ok. Maybe it's some type of new bp species and you can prove it out.:gj:

They seem too perfectly placed on both sides to be an injury, it's fairly symmetrical. Could it be some kind of a birth defect possibly? Somehow some cells got mixed signals in the egg? Kinda neat to look at though.

It is hard to tell from the pic but are the back lower lip pits normal?

Out of curiosity, what's the inside of her mouth look like? The choana area normal?

wow.. thats interesting. perhaps it was supposed to be a twin and the one twin was reabsorbed in the egg but not before extra heat pits were "programmed"? yeah probably a shot in the dark with my theory but hey, anything is possible. Keep us posted on her progress Heather.

At first glace it looked like she bit herself, but the holes are too big.

Is she a Teen? Because you need to go look into her cage and see if you see any ring piercings ( What would these be called, Snake bites?) :rolleye2:

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

Flesh eating bacteria similar to those that cause cavities? ~_~

I got nothin...

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See, thats what i was wondering.... It reminds me of the fish disease called Hole in the head.
http://www.aquaworldaquarium.com/Art...anaguensis.jpg

Have you only just noticed them heather? or have they always been there? Interesting!

Interesting. So, the first question I have is..... There are sometimes a short row (2-3) of small pits along the bottom jaw right back at the crook of the mouth. Does this girl have those? (Can't tell from your pic) If not, I would guess that the 'pits' on her chin were remnants of that line that missed their cue and developed in the wrong locale. Just a theory......


~Kat

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Originally Posted by janeothejungle

Interesting. So, the first question I have is..... There are sometimes a short row (2-3) of small pits along the bottom jaw right back at the crook of the mouth. Does this girl have those? (Can't tell from your pic) If not, I would guess that the 'pits' on her chin were remnants of that line that missed their cue and developed in the wrong locale. Just a theory......


~Kat

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Ha! Interesting. Ill nab pics to show what you are explaining. Ive never... really noticed those before. http://pics.livejournal.com/mooingtricycle/pic/0013284f

Heather,
This looks very similar to something I have seen alot in my hatchlings up to sub adults. My first question to you would be what type of rack are they in? I ask, because almost every hatchling that I have in my ARS racks have this (yet the ones in my homemade melamine racks do not). My theory on it is that the snakes rub on the holes on the metal that forms the top of the tub in a pre-fabbed metal type rack. I have often opened tubs, and found the snakes with their heads up to the top of the tub as if testing the air coming through the holes. I have found that once I move an animal out of those type racks, and put them in CB-70's (homemade racks again that do not have metal tops), that they marks go away.

Let me know if you need pics, and I can take some pics of that occuranc on some of my animals.

Hope that helps,

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Originally Posted by janeothejungle

Interesting. So, the first question I have is..... There are sometimes a short row (2-3) of small pits along the bottom jaw right back at the crook of the mouth. Does this girl have those? (Can't tell from your pic) If not, I would guess that the 'pits' on her chin were remnants of that line that missed their cue and developed in the wrong locale. Just a theory......


~Kat

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This was my thought as well.

Heather's Mutie Balls, guaranteed original.

She has no problems with her side face pits. They are there and kicking :)

She has been in an Animal Plastics rack for a while now, and to be honest, I JUST noticed this.

I've had her since she was a baby, and I never really noticed it. Maybe it wasn't there before? I honestly can't say...

I didn't check the inside of her mouth, so I would have to get back to you guys on that one...

Note that she had just shed, and I had helped her over these spots... They may make or break any theories, but to me, it just seems to uniform to be bites or the like.

It's just too wierd.

I can take more pics tonight.

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

At first glace it looked like she bit herself, but the holes are too big.

Is she a Teen? Because you need to go look into her cage and see if you see any ring piercings ( What would these be called, Snake bites?) :rolleye2:

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i have snake bite piercings :( lol

Freak snake???? I don't know. lol. Maybe its the next step in evolution for bp's.

okay, so who else went through their collections looking for this? :oops:

I looked at my girl....no extra holes:D

that's really neat heather! As long as they seem to not hurt her and she continues to eat and gain weight i guess she should be fine? When you helped her shed around that area, did you notice if you pulled off some extra scales? I would imagine that the dermal area on the mouth would be thinner than the rest of the body, which would possibly explain the pits that she has now? Or genetic deformation. Other than that,I have no idea except blarg....

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Originally Posted by Purrrfect9

Other than that,I have no idea except blarg....

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Blarg indeed.

It's a noodle scratcher, that's for sure...

Dont GTP's have pits on the bottom of jaw? Maybe its something freaky thats similar to that.

My first thought was that she may have bit the bottom jaw with the top one some how?

Definately wierd stuff there:confused:

so i have a female pastel that i just found about a week ago to hace the exact markings on her bottom jaw, this is interesting cause i thought that it was a rat bite, i will post pics soon as i find my camera, but im telling you they are identicle

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Originally Posted by SUPERBALLS

so i have a female pastel that i just found about a week ago to hace the exact markings on her bottom jaw, this is interesting cause i thought that it was a rat bite, i will post pics soon as i find my camera, but im telling you they are identicle

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definitely post pics!!

Muddoc, you too! Post some pics!! :D

This is really interesting!

Wow Heather you got me looking for it on my BPs now.

Heather,
I've seen this more then a few times. Like someone else mentioned usually in younger animals. Not sure what it is, I've never really payed much attention to it.

Eric

birth defect my only answer

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

Blarg indeed.

It's a noodle scratcher, that's for sure...

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Heather did you ever figure out what the extra heat pits may be? Well for some reason I looked at my Mojave pair (2008) and a 08 Yellowbelly and so far all 3 have these funky holes....
http://inlinethumb37.webshots.com/44...600x600Q85.jpg
I don't think they are possible issues from the newspaper that I use for bedding. I use to use white mat paper from my printing company then for some reason I don't know why I started using newspaper and saved the white for my albinos. I do know that they all seem very sensitive in this area like they are actually holes and are painful. I am going to e-mail Ralph at RDR to see what he thinks it they are.

Jay

Any Chance she snuck out and got some piercings when you weren't looking? lol.... Looks like a teenager pierced ear design:)....

wow i think you guys should just send me all those snakes before the rest of your collection gets it :D

I know this is an old topic, but I remembered reading it when it first started and decided to look over my small collection of 9... Only 1 of them has it, my male 100% het SK Axanthic. Here's a pic :)

http://iherp.com/Gallery/90720/42973...xeoy7MzIfG.jpg

Some of my other balls have very faint marks where they would be, but nothing considerable. The rest are normal looking. Just pretty interesting :)

Cool! Heather, tell us if she still has them in a few months, will you? abi21491, how old is the SK axanthic?

I think they could very well be a buried gene for heat pits in a different spot. Carpets and green tree pythons have them on their back bottom lips as well as their front upper lips:

http://www.calacademy.org/blogs/jdum...ree_python.jpg

I also think you should folks should combine your slightly mutated snakes and see if you can get real heat pits. AND THEN WRITE IT UP FOR SCIENCE. :D

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Originally Posted by loonunit

Cool! Heather, tell us if she still has them in a few months, will you? abi21491, how old is the SK axanthic?

I think they could very well be a buried gene for heat pits in a different spot. Carpets and green tree pythons have them on their back bottom lips as well as their front upper lips:

http://www.calacademy.org/blogs/jdum...ree_python.jpg

I also think you should folks should combine your slightly mutated snakes and see if you can get real heat pits. AND THEN WRITE IT UP FOR SCIENCE. :D

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My boy is about 300 grams, he's a mid 09. I've noticed all of my ball pythons have heat pits on their lower lips at the corner of their mouths. Do all of them have that typically? I wonder if it's genetic as well, pretty cool :gj:

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Originally Posted by loonunit

Cool! Heather, tell us if she still has them in a few months, will you?

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She still has them as of this day. I'll take updated pics when I get home. :)

I believe it's caused when the snake is attempting to escape. Some of my snakes have similar marks, it's caused by them squeezing their heads through the lip of their tubs attempting to get out.

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Originally Posted by abi21491

My boy is about 300 grams, he's a mid 09. I've noticed all of my ball pythons have heat pits on their lower lips at the corner of their mouths. Do all of them have that typically? I wonder if it's genetic as well, pretty cool :gj:

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Hang on while I pry some mouths open... yes, corner of the mouth, very small. Mostly hidden by the folds of skin around the mouth--I don't know if they actually can use those for anything much.

And my '07 het lavender boy has the dents on his chin, but they're very shallow. Nothing as blatant as the snakes up-thread.

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

No, she is a normal :)

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Not anymore she's not. She's the new "Heat Pit" morph. Guaranteed to find and eat a f/t room temperature rat. Coming soon to Kingsnake for 25k a pair.:P:D

They do look like heat pits and they're in the same spot on both sides. BG didn't read the whole thread(lazy), but what is the full history of this snake. Maybe this is evolution. Who knows? All snakes from this part of Africa may be developing them for some odd reason.

To be honest girl. You should call some scientists(geeks):D that study this kind of thing. BG is sure they'd be interested.

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Originally Posted by AaronP

I believe it's caused when the snake is attempting to escape. Some of my snakes have similar marks, it's caused by them squeezing their heads through the lip of their tubs attempting to get out.

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You got pics??? The scientist(geek) in BG has him interested in this.

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

No, she is a normal :)

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far from normal. very unique if you ask me ;)