Need pics of clutches with two fathers

Friends daughter needs some for a science fair project....any pictures you can share would be helpful....

example...if you breed a normal female to a pastel male and later to a spider male and the clutch had both pastels and spiders....

Thanks...

Had 5 such clutches last season. This is my most shocking. :O

I do have another: Butter/Bumble Bee X Yellow Belly that is pretty nice as well. I can post it, but need to transfer pics -- let me know if you need it. Good luck to your daughter on the project!

PEWTER/BUMBLE BEE X PASTEL

1.0 KILLER BEE 1.0 STERLING 1.2 BUMBLE BEES 1.0 SUPER PASTEL
1.1 NORMALS

http://www.ball-pythons.net/gallery/..._beeetc_36.jpg

Thanks Bill.....
Post the other if you have time...Friends daugther....

Bred a Pastel and a Cinnamon to a normal female....got 2.2 cinnamons and 1 pastel and 1.2 normals.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...8115/008-4.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...8115/006-6.jpg

Two lessers, a cinnamon and four normals:
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z...lutch8_all.jpg

This clutch was from a normal female bred by a lesser male and a cinnamon male.

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Originally Posted by Bill Buchman

Had 5 such clutches last season. This is my most shocking. :O

I do have another: Butter/Bumble Bee X Yellow Belly that is pretty nice as well. I can post it, but need to transfer pics -- let me know if you need it. Good luck to your daughter on the project!

PEWTER/BUMBLE BEE X PASTEL

1.0 KILLER BEE 1.0 STERLING 1.2 BUMBLE BEES 1.0 SUPER PASTEL
1.1 NORMALS

http://www.ball-pythons.net/gallery/..._beeetc_36.jpg

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Wow that is so awesome. Lucky lucky person!

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Originally Posted by jluman

Two lessers, a cinnamon and four normals:
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z...lutch8_all.jpg

This clutch was from a normal female bred by a lesser male and a cinnamon male.

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Nice lessers :)

Wow I didn't even know you could do that, I think when I get my Fire and Lemon I'll end up breeding both to my female Pastel, thus hopefully getting some fireflies and some super pastels. \m/n ^_^ n\m/

Awesome.

I thought 1st of all, if you breed anything with a normal it would just be a HET. like a female normal X male spider = het spiders

And wats all this female with different males will produce several different babies in one clutch?

Only been the snake thing for less than a year so I dont know all this, any links or anything would be great

Well since alot of the morphs are codom, if its a normal x codom, half will be normal, half will be the morph. Spiders are codominant. Now, if it was an albino, or hypo (ghost), then albino x normal = het albino, and hypo x normal = het hypo, because these are recessive morphs. I think we have a thread here somewhere that has a list of codom morphs, recessive morphs, and dominants.

I think when females are locking up they're not utilizing the sperm at the given moment, they store it away. And apparently if you put two males to a single female, there is a possibility that she will have sperm from both males. But it doesnt work like, albino male and spider male to normal female = albino spider babies. The sperm from both males wont mix together, it will just fertilize separate eggs.

But I don't breed, so I'm sure someone else can explain that heaps better lol

Well you do get hets... its just that some hets show that they are het (Fires, Pastels, Cinnamons, etc), others will hide it (Albinos, Hypos, Pieds, etc).

That's the difference between Co-Doms and Doms (Fires, Pastels, Cinnamons, etc / Pinstripe, Spider, etc) and Recessives (albinos, Hypos, Pieds, etc).

Now the difference between Co-Doms and Doms is that when a Co-Dom has 2 genes telling it to have that trait it will look different (usually referred to as a Super (Fires/Black Eyed Leucistics, Pastels/Super Pastels, Yellow Belly/Ivory, etc) while a Dom can have 2 of the gene telling it to be Dom and it will look no different from if it had 1 gene telling it to be Dom (Spiders and Pinstripes).

Biology class usually covers this, but a lot of people don't pay attention/don't remember/never take the class, lol. But here is a nice article that will cover the basics for you

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=52847

As for the last persons post:

Only one sperm cell can enter a single ovum.

Fire & cinnamon daddy x normal female, some side info; the cinnamon had many compualtions with the female starting from november till january. Fire had only 1or2 copulations at the end of the season (january - february).
Clutch was 4 fires, 1 cinnamon and 2 normals.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t...ireclutch1.jpg

This makes me so excited for whats gunna pop outta my eggs cuz have done this with several females this year. Thats the best part about co dom animals

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Originally Posted by Bill Buchman

Had 5 such clutches last season. This is my most shocking. :O

I do have another: Butter/Bumble Bee X Yellow Belly that is pretty nice as well. I can post it, but need to transfer pics -- let me know if you need it. Good luck to your daughter on the project!

PEWTER/BUMBLE BEE X PASTEL

1.0 KILLER BEE 1.0 STERLING 1.2 BUMBLE BEES 1.0 SUPER PASTEL
1.1 NORMALS

http://www.ball-pythons.net/gallery/..._beeetc_36.jpg

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Damn Bill........Damn

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Originally Posted by escomaya

I thought 1st of all, if you breed anything with a normal it would just be a HET. like a female normal X male spider = het spiders

And wats all this female with different males will produce several different babies in one clutch?

Only been the snake thing for less than a year so I dont know all this, any links or anything would be great

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This visual link should answer most of your questions.

http://www.ballpythons.ca/genetics.html

This clutch was from a Butter/Bee X Yellow Belly. Each male had three visually confirmed locks with the female. A few were within days of each other.

While females can retain sperm for up to a year, I suspect that breeding males back to back on a female will increase the odds for a split clutch. My five split clutches last season ALL had males "tag-teaming" the female. :rolleyes:


1.0 BUTTER BELLY (first ever :D)
.1 BUMBLE BELLY
.1 PASTEL YELLOW BELLY
.1 SPIDER YELLOW BELLY
.1 BUTTER

There was one normal boy who was nudged out of the picture by his sibs. ;)

http://www.ball-pythons.net/gallery/...lly_clutch.jpg
http://www.ball-pythons.net/gallery/...y_clutch_1.jpg

....Thanks to all....

I have to say thanks also, learn something new everyday, Ive never done so much research my whole life, who would of known snakes would have done it. I just went to school for the girls. If only my teachers could see me researching now, it would be jaw-dropping for them. lol

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Originally Posted by Bill Buchman

This clutch was from a Butter/Bee X Yellow Belly. Each male had three visually confirmed locks with the female. A few were within days of each other.

While females can retain sperm for up to a year, I suspect that breeding males back to back on a female will increase the odds for a split clutch. My five split clutches last season ALL had males "tag-teaming" the female. :rolleyes:


1.0 BUTTER BELLY (first ever :D)
.1 BUMBLE BELLY
.1 PASTEL YELLOW BELLY
.1 SPIDER YELLOW BELLY
.1 BUTTER

There was one normal boy who was nudged out of the picture by his sibs. ;)

http://www.ball-pythons.net/gallery/...lly_clutch.jpg
http://www.ball-pythons.net/gallery/...y_clutch_1.jpg

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I can't tell what it is, but in the first pic the snake in the top middle and (s)he is in the top left in the second pic...it has some CRAZY head markings...like absolutely ludicrous markings on its head. very nice clutch man!:gj:

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Originally Posted by dreese88

I can't tell what it is, but in the first pic the snake in the top middle and (s)he is in the top left in the second pic...it has some CRAZY head markings...like absolutely ludicrous markings on its head. very nice clutch man!:gj:

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That is the Butter Belly. I will be posting some updated pictures this week. He is around 400 grams and will be breeding some girls in March -- I hope!

He keeps getting better with every shed!! :)

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Originally Posted by Bill Buchman

That is the Butter Belly. I will be posting some updated pictures this week. He is around 400 grams and will be breeding some girls in March -- I hope!

He keeps getting better with every shed!! :)

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Bill...I just want to let you know that I greatly envy you. Now tell that boy to get to it!:banana:

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Originally Posted by dreese88

Bill...I just want to let you know that I greatly envy you. Now tell that boy to get to it!:banana:

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Thanks for the kind words. I like my young males to be a "porky" 500-600 grams before I start breeding them in case they go off food at some point.

Like all the 08 offspring from my Butter breeder male, Mr. Butter Belly has a mellow/sweet tempermant -- just like his daddy! ;)

Brock had a neat clutch sired by two males. A female citrus pastel was bred by both a lesser bee and champagne. She produced 6 eggs and what hatched out was 2 queen bees, 3 pastel champagnes and 1 lesser.
See thread for pictures.
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=72493

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Originally Posted by Bill Buchman

Thanks for the kind words. I like my young males to be a "porky" 500-600 grams before I start breeding them in case they go off food at some point.

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Very understandable...just tell him that whenever you decide to breed him to get the job done

Thanks Chris for finding that one. I was thinking of posting it myself. I wish every clutch turned out that way!

Good times

Brock

If I did that pairing all I would get some normals...

I had my first clutch sired by three males this past season. I bred a pied, lesser, bumble bee and pewter to my pied females. I really wanted a pewter het pied but I was still happy with these results.

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...lutch20092.jpg

Sorry I just realized the post was a year old. I was doing a search and came across it. Either way I still think it's neat.

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Originally Posted by David Green

Sorry I just realized the post was a year old. I was doing a search and came across it. Either way I still think it's neat.

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Just asked this question on a UK forum today, been rotating a couple of males between two females..one in & one out, one of the pairings are pied / bp pewter x pied..would be really neat if both males produced from the one female :)