disturbin youtube vid.

i was crusing youtube yesterday day and seen by far the most horrific example of power feeding ... some Jacka$$, with a capital J n A ... was feeding his burm or retic. after the rat was almost swallowed they shoved a poor helpless baby chick down the snake throat - ALIVE!!:rage: ... i could hardly watch the whole vid as this lil chick cherped all the way down .. i was almost sick to my stomach... its beyond me why anyone would do that let a lone put it on the net ... i just hope to god that snake takes the guys arm off next time :please:

Link?

I know there are some horrible keepers out there :rage:

sorry dude no link ... but ill take a look ... the name of the vid was somethin like python eats bird alive or something

YouTube - Python Eats Bird Alive this one???

Maybe he didn't have the heart to kill the chick himself, but wanted the snake to get a taste for chickens since it'll be eating them when it gets older. So, unfortunately, he fed the chick live.

... That's probably all BS, but I'm trying to say something nice instead of negative. I don't like irresponsible keepers. :(

It's because he's too much of a jerk to kill the bird. In the inbred way of thinking it was a cool youtube video. A snake that big can't kill something that small (at least with what I've seen from large carpets and mice). Mind, nothing nice to be said. I have never seen a burm shoot down FT especially while in the feeding response. I will admit I have pushed stuff behind small items. However, most of the carpet keepers know how hard it is to get a mice fed carpet on rats. I'd feed a FT pink then a FT rat pink while in hunt mode or on occasion if it wouldn't take it at all I would shove the pink head in the mouth while the tail of the mouse pink was going down so the snake never knew it was 2. I don't recommend everyone do this!

Dear lord that's freaking horrible.

I flagged the video and posted a comment on the video. I don't have the patience to deal with these kinds of people all the time. :rolleyes:

omg i saw that video a while back it was horible. very dissturbing.

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It's because he's too much of a jerk to kill the bird. In the inbred way of thinking it was a cool youtube video. A snake that big can't kill something that small (at least with what I've seen from large carpets and mice). Mind, nothing nice to be said. I have never seen a burm shoot down FT especially while in the feeding response. I will admit I have pushed stuff behind small items. However, most of the carpet keepers know how hard it is to get a mice fed carpet on rats. I'd feed a FT pink then a FT rat pink while in hunt mode or on occasion if it wouldn't take it at all I would shove the pink head in the mouth while the tail of the mouse pink was going down so the snake never knew it was 2. I don't recommend everyone do this!

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I will do the same thing if my JCP won't take rats again; I've already done this once before, but then the animal was dead.

That's extremely disheartening... I'm holding back from saying A LOT right now.

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Originally Posted by Pandora

That's extremely disheartening... I'm holding back from saying A LOT right now.

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I sent the guy a friendly youtube message... very hard. :mad:

I don't see anything wrong with that.

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Originally Posted by _Venom_

I don't see anything wrong with that.

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u dont see anything wrong with stuffing a living creature down the throat of a big snake ??.... for 1. its quite possible that the chick could do some pretty heffty damage to the snake on the way down 2. its just striaght up cruel ! dude whats wrong with you ???

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Originally Posted by _Venom_

I don't see anything wrong with that.

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With all due respect.
There is no respectful reason to have the animal alive during that process. As keepers, we care for our animals, including our feeders that we want to make sure go as humanely as possible. When feeding a live pinky, and they swallow it live, yes it goes through a similar process, but the animal is much too young to slightly comprehend what is happening, and it's eyes are closed. This is a clear example of someone who enjoys watching snakes eat, to see the other animal suffer.

Also, snakes do constrict their prey for a reason, and doing something like this is dangerous and wrong. If someone did the same thing with a rat, it would be just as wrong and even more dangerous because the rat would probably bite the snake.

very very F'ED up video! makes me wanna smack the camera person! but i dont understand how the bird wasnt dead anyway. ive seen young large snakes eat food while its still living but never an adult. how did they get that guy to eat without constricting?

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very very F'ED up video! makes me wanna smack the camera person! but i dont understand how the bird wasnt dead anyway. ive seen young large snakes eat food while its still living but never an adult. how did they get that guy to eat without constricting?

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There was a rat first, they fed it in directly after the rat so it just kept on swallowing.

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Originally Posted by Pandora

That's extremely disheartening... I'm holding back from saying A LOT right now.

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You can always express your gratitude on youtube :D

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Originally Posted by _Venom_

I don't see anything wrong with that.

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As someone who keeps a large constrictor, you should.

Fish & Wildlife sees something like that, they will push more to get large constrictors banned throughout the nation. They will assume people simply cannot properly take care of them. That means your snake will become illegal and you will have to surrender it.

See anything wrong with it now?

I've said it on this forum once, and I'll say it again. YouTube is digging our grave. Its the third most popular website in the world, and these types of videos are what people get to see of herpetoculture. :mad:

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Originally Posted by SnM_Man

u dont see anything wrong with stuffing a living creature down the throat of a big snake ??.... for 1. its quite possible that the chick could do some pretty heffty damage to the snake on the way down 2. its just striaght up cruel ! dude whats wrong with you ???

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There's worst things to worry about.

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

With all due respect.
There is no respectful reason to have the animal alive during that process. As keepers, we care for our animals, including our feeders that we want to make sure go as humanely as possible. When feeding a live pinky, and they swallow it live, yes it goes through a similar process, but the animal is much too young to slightly comprehend what is happening, and it's eyes are closed. This is a clear example of someone who enjoys watching snakes eat, to see the other animal suffer.

Also, snakes do constrict their prey for a reason, and doing something like this is dangerous and wrong. If someone did the same thing with a rat, it would be just as wrong and even more dangerous because the rat would probably bite the snake.

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There are times when snakes don't constrict.

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Originally Posted by RKO

As someone who keeps a large constrictor, you should.

Fish & Wildlife sees something like that, they will push more to get large constrictors banned throughout the nation. They will assume people simply cannot properly take care of them. That means your snake will become illegal and you will have to surrender it.

See anything wrong with it now?

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This video did not take place in our country. I doubt this single video will do anything. There's videos of about every other pet doing something one could consider horrible.

I'm at work and youtube is blocked, but I've seen this video.


For the record, I think its pretty stupid and immature, but as someone who kills several small furry animals every week, like most other people here, I can step back and see a video of a snake eating something small and furry and not feel too bad about it.

Also, to everyone who thinks it is videos like these that are responsible for the world's crappy view on our hobby, take a look on youtube for ANY video of ANY snake eating ANY animal, and view the comments. The "world" does not make any type of distinction whatsoever between that video and other videos, and probably never will.


Disclaimer:
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Originally Posted by Kom@tose

Also, to everyone who thinks it is videos like these that are responsible for the world's crappy view on our hobby, take a look on youtube for ANY video of ANY snake eating ANY animal, and view the comments. The "world" does not make any type of distinction whatsoever between that video and other videos, and probably never will.

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And which do you think people see worse?

A.) Swallowing a live animal that was placed in its mouth by someone.

B.) People seeing a snake constrict an animal to death on its own.

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Originally Posted by _Venom_

This video did not take place in our country.

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Oh. Well in that case, it's absolutely fine!


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And which do you think people see worse?

A.) Swallowing a live animal that was placed in its mouth by someone.

B.) People seeing a snake constrict an animal to death on its own.

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My point was I don't think they see a difference.

Youtube HEAVILY supports my stance on this.

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Originally Posted by Kom@tose

My point was I don't think they see a difference.

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I sure think they do. When I look at videos of people feeding live rodents, you'll get a few people saying stuff like "You sick :cens0r:". Then I looked at the comments for this video. It was more like "YOU SICK :soapbx:! I HOPE YOU DIE YOU :soapbx::soapbx::soapbx::soapbx:"

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This video did not take place in our country.

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how the heck do u know that it didnt... and more specifically what country would u be talking about cuz this forum has members from around the world!

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how the heck do u know that it didnt... and more specifically what country would u be talking about cuz this forum has members from around the world!

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If you look at the profile of the person who posted the video on youtube, it says he's from Mexico.

Many on this site have fed live mice. Why aren't you complaining about that? They are bit with hundreds of sharp teeth, then constricted so hard that they suffocate.

Is that not suffering?

Also, what did you want that guy to do? Yank the chick out of the snakes mouth? He could risk getting bit, which would bring worst news to our hobby.
I'm pretty sure he wasn't expecting the snake to eat the chick that way.

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Originally Posted by _Venom_

Many on this site have fed live mice. Why aren't you complaining about that? They are bit with hundreds of sharp teeth, then constricted so hard that they suffocate.

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There is a HUGE difference.

What we do:
*Drop the rodent in the cage or offer by forceps and let the snake do its thing

What he did:
*Stuff a live chick into the snakes mouth while it was in the process of swallowing a rat.

Did you even think about what could have happened? Such as the chick pecking/biting the snake on the way down possible seriously injuring it?

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Originally Posted by _Venom_

Also, what did you want that guy to do? Yank the chick out of the snakes mouth? He could risk getting bit, which would bring worst news to our hobby.
I'm pretty sure he wasn't expecting the snake to eat the chick that way.

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He should have never placed it in there. He could have gotten bit shoving the chick in there.

Did you not see the rats tail in the beginning of the video? It was CLEARLY in the process of swallowing a rat when he placed the chick in there.

At around 2:10 you still hear the chick chirping even after it went down...

Boy, this guy sure is one responsible snake owner. Feeding a large burm a baby chick on a kitchen table
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Forgot the codes dont work here...
YouTube - Blooper!

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There is a HUGE difference.

What we do:
*Drop the rodent in the cage or offer by forceps and let the snake do its thing

What he did:
*Stuff a live chick into the snakes mouth while it was in the process of swallowing a rat.

Did you even think about what could have happened? Such as the chick pecking/biting the snake on the way down possible seriously injuring it?


He should have never placed it in there. He could have gotten bit shoving the chick in there.

Did you not see the rats tail in the beginning of the video? It was CLEARLY in the process of swallowing a rat when he placed the chick in there.

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Hmmm...
You're right, I did not see the tail.
I though the snake itself caught the chick in that manner.
That changes things.

You're right.
Point taken.
Touche.
My bad.

As long as you're willing to admit your mistakes, there is no harm:gj:

I still go back to the fact that this is a large snake. Find me a large snake that will refuse FT! Again, emphasis on the animal is in feeding mode. In nature rodents and other things are eaten after being bit and coiled. That is the circle of life, shoving something live in is completely wrong. I know venom admitted his mistake, but this video still has me confused as to why the camera man is still breathing himself.

I wrote him a comment, saying something like "videos like these give our hobby a bad name ... blah blah ... very irresponsible and inhumane, etc." He sent me an e-mail back saying, "wtf are you talking about? People love watching this stuff!" (expletives were not removed in the e-mail) I chose not to respond to him, as A: he's right; there are a lot of sick people out there that don't have any issues with watching something like that, and B: It probably doesn't matter what I might say to him, I doubt he would be willing to change his opinions on the matter.

I hope one day he wakes up, and GROWS UP.

Mind, people like these have no rationality. Arguing is doing nothing. IMHO I think not posting or emailing this guy is best. (feel free to do what you like, it's a free country) He knows lots of people have viewed this and now is getting comments. It's just motivating him to produce more of this crap.