Question About Females

This year is my first producing my own snakes, and it's exciting but I have a question...

I have a Spider female that I want to breed... twice. I absolutely won't do it if it's not possible or will harm the animal in anyway but I searched on alot of sites and didn't come up with an answer. I want to breed this snake with a Pastel and try for Bumblebees (done) and after a break period wanted to try and breed here again before the season is over with a lesser.

Is this bad or at all possible without hurting the snake and what are the chances something will go wrong?

once a female lays eggs it is really good to let them rest for a season

If you mean her laying 2 clutches in the same season then no. If you mean just breeding her with 2 males during the same season then that is ok, she could take from either or both.

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Originally Posted by Sebrina

This year is my first producing my own snakes, and it's exciting but I have a question...

I have a Spider female that I want to breed... twice. I absolutely won't do it if it's not possible or will harm the animal in anyway but I searched on alot of sites and didn't come up with an answer. I want to breed this snake with a Pastel and try for Bumblebees (done) and after a break period wanted to try and breed here again before the season is over with a lesser.

Is this bad or at all possible without hurting the snake and what are the chances something will go wrong?

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When she lays her first clutch, and you see how sunken in her stomach is, the answer will be easy for you. You'll want to feed her and get her back into top condition before considering breeding her again.

Is there a particular reason you want to rush things? Waiting until the next season rolls around isn't really that long.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

When she lays her first clutch, and you see how sunken in her stomach is, the answer will be easy for you. You'll want to feed her and get her back into top condition before considering breeding her again.

Is there a particular reason you want to rush things? Waiting until the next season rolls around isn't really that long.

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No theres no reason I can't wait I'm just new to breeding snakes and wanted to know if it was possible. I saw some people producing animals year round and wondered how many times they actually used 1 female it was really more of a "can this be" type of question.

Thanks for the answer guys!

I don't think BP's double clutch(do they?),but corn snakes do every year for me.

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Originally Posted by Sebrina

No theres no reason I can't wait I'm just new to breeding snakes and wanted to know if it was possible. I saw some people producing animals year round and wondered how many times they actually used 1 female it was really more of a "can this be" type of question.

Thanks for the answer guys!

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Ball pythons can be bred year round (IE, you don't have to stick to just breeding in the fall/winter), but those that do so, are doing them with different animals, not the same one.

For now, just keep pairing her with the pastel until you get your ovulation!

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Originally Posted by Sebrina

This year is my first producing my own snakes, and it's exciting but I have a question...

I have a Spider female that I want to breed... twice. I absolutely won't do it if it's not possible or will harm the animal in anyway but I searched on alot of sites and didn't come up with an answer. I want to breed this snake with a Pastel and try for Bumblebees (done) and after a break period wanted to try and breed here again before the season is over with a lesser.

Is this bad or at all possible without hurting the snake and what are the chances something will go wrong?

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The snake body (from my research and experience) has to go though preparation for breeding, that is why timing is important. I do not believe (but I have been wrong before) that your girl will even have any follicles left after she lays her eggs. From my experience, after my girls lay, they are empty. I can not feel any "left over" follicles.


While I agree with Robin, I don't think what you want to do is possible anyway. Because, if I am reading this correctly, you want to breed her to the Spider and as soon as she lays the eggs put her to a Lesser.

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Originally Posted by Sebrina

No theres no reason I can't wait I'm just new to breeding snakes and wanted to know if it was possible. I saw some people producing animals year round and wondered how many times they actually used 1 female it was really more of a "can this be" type of question.

Thanks for the answer guys!

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Greg, BPs do double clutch.

Sebrina, this means that you can put BOTH males to your girl alternately and maybe will luck out with both males fertilizing some eggs and you get a two-fer at one time without additional stress on the female.

But as to breeders breeding year round, that isn't be cause they do what you purposed, but they manipulate the snakes environment and stagger the girls for breeding meaning some are cooled later (environment manipulation) and/or also BPs don't all grow their follicles at the same rate. So some may lay their eggs later in the season. It simply means they breed the girls when they know it's time (follicles) instead of waiting for a particular time of the year.

(hope this makes sense).

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Originally Posted by broadude

Greg, BPs do double clutch.

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No they don't.
You cannot get eggs from a BP, feed her, and breed her again like you could with corns.
They will have one clutch per year max.

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Originally Posted by SPJ

No they don't.
You cannot get eggs from a BP, feed her, and breed her again like you could with corns.
They will have one clutch per year max.

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I think it's how double clutch is being defined by each poster. Greg, I believe, meant two different clutches within a 12 month period.

Deb meant double-sired on the same clutch, if I read her right. I think Deb's scenario is probably more accurately defined as double-sired. :)

Thanks to everyone I was really confused about the whole deal. I guess people breeding year round have enough females and probably males to keep the ball rolling. Now I'm not saying I want to attempt this or anything. I was really curious and didn't come up with any answers on my own. My grandfather used to tell me there's no such thing as a stupid question just stupid people, lol. I know more than I did yesturday and thats an accomplishment in my book, thanks to everyone.

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Originally Posted by Sebrina

Thanks to everyone I was really confused about the whole deal. I guess people breeding year round have enough females and probably males to keep the ball rolling. Now I'm not saying I want to attempt this or anything. I was really curious and didn't come up with any answers on my own. My grandfather used to tell me there's no such thing as a stupid question just stupid people, lol. I know more than I did yesturday and thats an accomplishment in my book, thanks to everyone.

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Your grandfather is correct! I always say that the only stupid question is the one not asked! :gj:

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Originally Posted by Sebrina

Thanks to everyone I was really confused about the whole deal. I guess people breeding year round have enough females and probably males to keep the ball rolling. Now I'm not saying I want to attempt this or anything. I was really curious and didn't come up with any answers on my own. My grandfather used to tell me there's no such thing as a stupid question just stupid people, lol. I know more than I did yesturday and thats an accomplishment in my book, thanks to everyone.

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I breed in 2 different 'shifts. I have one group of females that are bred in the winter, and another group bred in the summer. So, technically, I breed 'year round', but no one BP would ever be bred twice in one year. IMO, it is far too much metabolic stress when you consider the breeding cycle of this species. Concentrate on successfully pulling off 1 healthy clutch before getting to far ahead of yourself. I think you will find that first clutch will be very educational (and rewarding).

Cheers,
Kat

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Originally Posted by janeothejungle

I breed in 2 different 'shifts. I have one group of females that are bred in the winter, and another group bred in the summer. So, technically, I breed 'year round', but no one BP would ever be bred twice in one year. IMO, it is far too much metabolic stress when you consider the breeding cycle of this species. Concentrate on successfully pulling off 1 healthy clutch before getting to far ahead of yourself. I think you will find that first clutch will be very educational (and rewarding).

Cheers,
Kat

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Very well put.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

I think it's how double clutch is being defined by each poster. Greg, I believe, meant two different clutches within a 12 month period.

Deb meant double-sired on the same clutch, if I read her right. I think Deb's scenario is probably more accurately defined as double-sired. :)

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Exactly what I meant, Robin! Thanks.

I had a "brain-glitch" and couldn't think of the proper term..but included an explanation that I though would help define what I was talking about.

Thanks again for clarifying!:gj:

Is it even possible for a python to double clutch?? (have a clutch and then be bred again the same year and have another??) I thought I read somewhere that they can't be double clutched like corn snakes???

Alan

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Originally Posted by janeothejungle

I breed in 2 different 'shifts. I have one group of females that are bred in the winter, and another group bred in the summer. So, technically, I breed 'year round', but no one BP would ever be bred twice in one year. IMO, it is far too much metabolic stress when you consider the breeding cycle of this species. Concentrate on successfully pulling off 1 healthy clutch before getting to far ahead of yourself. I think you will find that first clutch will be very educational (and rewarding).

Cheers,
Kat

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When you do this do you use the same males or do you have a different group of males as well?