The herp community may be in trouble

I don't want the mods to take this off b/c this is what us as the herp community are up against these sorta people messin with us and making us sound like a bad group of people. Write this person a message telling him he is wrong and lay out the facts
http://www.youtube.com/user/Glazlad10

I try not to get too upset about these things for a couple reasons.

1. A vast majority of reptiles keepers, such as this online community right here, don't post videos of animal cruelty for the world to see. We love animals, and do the best we can by them.

2. Most of us respect our feeders just as much as we respect our animals that we are feeding them to. We treat them like living creatures, with care, love, food, and they have a great quality of life.

3. Snakes.. they must eat. Rather it be live, or f/t thawed, it is part of nature and something we as humans cannot change but must respect.

4. Sadly there are people that do post videos of such things. However, I am out to set an example of how these animals should be treated, I refuse to let a handful of people (give or take) represent our reptile community in which we love so much. We as a whole need to show the world what the reptile community is really about.

5. Most of the people with those websites and "ideas" are extremists. They are dieing for the attention we give them. They want people to get angry, they want a reaction. By not giving them that, they start to lose their ammunition.


Also, I did read about the article that was printed. I also don't believe everything I read in the paper. Its the media. Who also wants reaction!

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Originally Posted by Kristy

I try not to get too upset about these things for a couple reasons.

1. A vast majority of reptiles keepers, such as this online community right here, don't post videos of animal cruelty for the world to see. We love animals, and do the best we can by them.

2. Most of us respect our feeders just as much as we respect our animals that we are feeding them to. We treat them like living creatures, with care, love, food, and they have a great quality of life.

3. Snakes.. they must eat. Rather it be live, or f/t thawed, it is part of nature and something we as humans cannot change but must respect.

4. Sadly there are people that do post videos of such things. However, I am out to set an example of how these animals should be treated, I refuse to let a handful of people (give or take) represent our reptile community in which we love so much. We as a whole need to show the world what the reptile community is really about.

5. Most of the people with those websites and "ideas" are extremists. They are dieing for the attention we give them. They want people to get angry, they want a reaction. By not giving them that, they start to lose their ammunition.


Also, I did read about the article that was printed. I also don't believe everything I read in the paper. Its the media. Who also wants reaction!

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what do they want us to do when it comes to feeding? snakes need to eat too. what do they want us to do, turn our snakes into vegetarians!

i dont know about you guys buy my snakes wont even touch their broccoli unless i put alot of cheese on it.:rofl:

Ummm... I just saw, (well ff> through) a hunting vid.? :weirdface If there was a reptile on it, I missed it...

Scratch that... I went back and scrolled down.

IDK, the Rabit in the background lookeed pretty tasty! jk, there will always be the rodent lovers that think we are evil and not know we treat our rodents right before they are fed off, yet as soon as they see a wild one in their home do you see them wanting to coexist or do they set out traps? See where im going... These people just dont understand that a snakes got to eat!

that is trouble? :rofl:

People need to remember that their fluffy kitties and puppies also eat OTHER ANIMALS. Their kibble is ground up ANIMALS. Snakes are merely more honest in their meal.
I don't think that a youtube video is much to worry about. There's way worse, and getting into a argument on youtube over a video opinion just isn't worth it.

Hahaha that kinda made me laugh a bit.

Ohh well, I guess I'm just a brutal and dangerous savage because I keep snakes and feed them their required diet.

The videos by MuffDaddy on YouTube are a lot worse for our hobby than this guy!

look what he posted to my profile

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I took the greatest pleasure in flagging your video snake morphs EATING!

Youtube is full of kids and you lo0t care nothing about what horrors kids see in your brutal and sadistic videos!

To use your words
Thats right, get over it

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Beardedragon can you direct me to your video, I would love to add a comment supporting you.

I am sure some snake owners have no business with snakes. For those who properly care for them, if they chose to feed live, that is their choice, and nothing that would not occur in nature. If his bunny were in a pot of stew, I would eat it. Yes I eat deer and fish. Do I love animals, yes! I also like to eat as well. Never did like my veggies as a kid. Were I not eating animals, I surely would have been hungry. I am against inhuman treatment of animals, but if the snake owner is caring for his animals, does not abuse it's prey, and feed the snake live, well that is nature in action.

No offense to veagans or vegetarians, but this guy can go eat a carrot. Perhaps his energy should go to the inhuman treatment of the masses of farm raised animals not allowed free range and a natural diet. My uncle feeds his family of the land. Garden, hunting and fishing. He never trophies hunts or fishes. He loves nature and supports conservation efforts.

Glad this guy is in England, and not in politics here. He can avoid GMO products, here we cannot unless we grow our own, hunt, and eat animals raised free range.

Here it is

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=79435

He posted the comment to my profile

Trust me from a outsiders point of view the countless feeding video's hurt us more then anything. It is like putting a target on us as reptile owners. I know people got to make money somehow but please no more feeding video's!

Brock

Bearded dragon not the video link. If he posted to your profile send me there then. Wish to support you.

Brock Wagner: You do make a valid point.

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Originally Posted by Brock Wagner

Trust me from a outsiders point of view the countless feeding video's hurt us more then anything. It is like putting a target on us as reptile owners. I know people got to make money somehow but please no more feeding video's!

Brock

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Personally I dissagree with that( no offense Brock). To me there is nothing wrong with posting a feeding video, unless you show some cruel way of feeding off the rat. These people just need to get a life, if you hate watching people hunt, do you go and watch hunting videos and then bash them if they are not doing anything wrong? I hope not, I think that there is something wrong with these people, to me its not normal.

IMO

I own snakes & love them. I don't own them because it's cool to watch them eat. I own them because I think they are beautiful and amazing animals.

That being said, I do feel bad for every animal I have to offer as a prey item, which is part of the reason I make sure the rodents get the best care/food and love possible. Why not let them have a great life until the end? The rodents in my care are probably taken care of better than most pets.

I personally cant stand watching videos of people laughing when their reptile strikes/kills another animal. Which is why I chose not to watch those videos. If someone doesnt like what they are seeing, there's always the "back" button.

I think people who can laugh at any animals death is warped in the brain. Yes it has to happen but there's no need to laugh about it.

No offense to anyone.. it's JMHO

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Originally Posted by filly77

I own snakes & love them. I don't own them because it's cool to watch them eat. I own them because I think they are beautiful and amazing animals.

That being said, I do feel bad for every animal I have to offer as a prey item, which is part of the reason I make sure the rodents get the best care/food and love possible. Why not let them have a great life until the end? The rodents in my care are probably taken care of better than most pets.

I personally cant stand watching videos of people laughing when their reptile strikes/kills another animal. Which is why I chose not to watch those videos. If someone doesnt like what they are seeing, there's always the "back" button.

I think people who can laugh at any animals death is warped in the brain. Yes it has to happen but there's no need to laugh about it.

No offense to anyone.. it's JMHO

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If you notice on my feding videos that the whole cam shakes when the snake strikes, no matter how many rats I feed off I never get used to it. I remember in one of my videos I had my eyes closed because I couldnt stand to watch the rat be hit. Am I heartless? No, and like you say the people who laugh at it are messed up.

I don't watch feeding videos. I don't like pictures of a snake constricting a rodent either. I'm not going ot say "Don't ever post that! It offends me!" because people have every right to post the pics, and I feed MY snakes rodents too. I just don't "enjoy" feeding a rodent to a snake. It's just food.
I don't like the idea that someone takes pleasure in a animal dying. Laughing and hooting and jumping around because your python hit and constricted a bunny and its' still kicking.. that's sort of sick. Not to mention, it might disturb the snake too. Just my opinion though. *I'm not saying that any videos referred to in this thread have that attitude in them!! There are videos ON youtube of that, which I'm refeerring to, as a bad example of snake owners*
Argueing on youtube does not accomplish anything. It's just going to start a giant flame war, with PETA members on thier side, hugging bunnies and claiming we are all demon-loving horrible animal abusers. Delete the comments that you don't like off your videos. That's what I do on my videos.

my dog hunts rabbits.theres nothing we can do about it either.she dont eat them,just brings them to the door like look wat i got.i guess dogs are next on the list?