A Very Different Albino

I have seen Albino Balls that have been High Contrast and I have seen them Low Contrast but I have never seen one as Low Contrast as the one I just hatched out. When I first cut all of the eggs after the first one of the clutch had pipped I couldn’t see any color on this one. At first I thought it was a very high white Pied or something. I took some pictures of her in the egg and in the pictures I could see the very light color. This was the first year that I had hatched out anything of note from this breeding. It was a pair of Het Albinos I purchased back in 2002. The first year I got six eggs with no Albinos. The second year I got five eggs but they all went bad. This year was another six eggs and the lone Albino was produced. I have terrible odds with recessive morphs. :( Luckily I have been very fortunate with the Co-Dom morphs. :D

Well here she is my new Very Low Contrast Albino.

http://www.albeysreptiles.com/images/alb08_1_bpn_1.jpg

http://www.albeysreptiles.com/images/alb08_1_bpn_2.jpg

http://www.albeysreptiles.com/images/alb08_1_bpn_3.jpg

http://www.albeysreptiles.com/images/alb08_1_bpn_4.jpg

Once again the pictures show much more color on her than you can see with the naked eye. She looks a lot lighter in person. I am not really sure what to think of her. Part of me thinks she is really unique and cool looking (she almost looks like a Crystal), and part of me is disappointed that she isn’t High Contrast. What does everyone else think?

Ive never seen one before but i would imagine thats what a hypo/albino would look like, but like i said i have never seen any produced, however it is a great looking very unique albino. Congrats!

Personally, I don't care for the high contrast albinos. Now, if I could be guaranteed that all the offspring would be low contrast I wouldn't mind having one at all ;)

Gorgeous snake IMO! :gj:

It's almost coral colored, very neat looking, Congrats.

almost snow like!

Very very hot!

Very pretty!

Woa... that is different for sure!! Have you tried emailing Ralph Davis, or a few of the larger breeders with pictures? They might have an idea as to what created this VERY cool looking albino.

Another thing I thought I would show everyone is in this picture.

http://www.albeysreptiles.com/images...br08_bpn_1.jpg

Notice how two of the clutch mates have an almost Axanthic look to them. The other two Normal sibs look just like the Normal right above the Albino. I hatched out some that looked like the Axanthic looking ones in the first clutch I produced from this same pairing but they did not stay looking like that. Weird!

wow that is freakin weird especially with those other very axanthic lookers in there. I wonder if you've got a pair of double hets somehow and just didn't know it? I wonder if that really is a snow! That would be so cool :D. It's a really nice look albino though, I prefer high-contrast as well but that's just a cool looking snake ;)

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Originally Posted by Albey

Another thing I thought I would show everyone is in this picture.

http://www.albeysreptiles.com/images...br08_bpn_1.jpg

Notice how two of the clutch mates have an almost Axanthic look to them. The other two Normal sibs look just like the Normal right above the Albino. I hatched out some that looked like the Axanthic looking ones in the first clutch I produced from this same pairing but they did not stay looking like that. Weird!

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Those two do look similar to an Axanthic. There must be something going on with the parents to produce that light albino and light looking babies.

wow.. now that is a gorgeous albino.. and if your really disappointed in her, just send her my way.. my address is.... :D congrats on that unique looking clutch and I agree, I think there is something going on with the parents for all the babies to look so uniquely different.

Very interesting clutch, Albey! I absolutely love that little albino!! :sweeet:

Wow Albey, not sure whats going on there, but there is something for sure, Is there any male you can breed back to mom or do you have to wait for the females to get up to size?

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Originally Posted by PrototypePythons

Wow Albey, not sure whats going on there, but there is something for sure, Is there any male you can breed back to mom or do you have to wait for the females to get up to size?

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Here is a shot of the 2006 clutch. Three of them have that Axanthic look.

http://www.albeysreptiles.com/images...r06_1bpn_1.jpg

I kept the two Females from that clutch to breed as possible Hets. I kept one of the Axanthic looking ones and one of the Normal looking ones. Unfortunately since the Albino I just hatched out is a Female it will take another two plus years before I can test anything with her by breeding her back to her Father.

I purchased the pair from Brian at BHB and I have alerted him to this thread. Hopefully he will get one of the many messages I have sent to him and he will weigh in here with his thoughts.

Wow those are all beautiful Albey! Maybe your recessive luck isn't as bad as you thought :D. Congrats man!

Trippy man very trippy.

the arenty quite axanthic lookin, almost pastel axanthic?

and the fact that the same pair has thrown those same bbies before.....weird

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Originally Posted by Isis

Personally, I don't care for the high contrast albinos. Now, if I could be guaranteed that all the offspring would be low contrast I wouldn't mind having one at all ;)

Gorgeous snake IMO! :gj:

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:O how can you not like high contrast albinos!

that snake is unique but I would much rather have a high contrast albino.

Awesome! She is a pretty little thing. Very different, but still very pretty. She has an odd color to her since you can't really see much of the yellow. Very neat.

That's a pretty strange pair that you have there. Hopefully you will figure out what is going on with them...no matter what it is, it's not a bad thing! ^_^

I think she's gorgeous, Albey. Huge congrats!! :gj:

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Originally Posted by Albey

Another thing I thought I would show everyone is in this picture.

http://www.albeysreptiles.com/images...br08_bpn_1.jpg

Notice how two of the clutch mates have an almost Axanthic look to them. The other two Normal sibs look just like the Normal right above the Albino. I hatched out some that looked like the Axanthic looking ones in the first clutch I produced from this same pairing but they did not stay looking like that. Weird!

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Hey Albey,
Ive actually heard of this happening often with breeding het to het albinos together. Some times the albinos come out pure white with the axanthic colored sibs, and the breeder thinking they hit the odds and made a snow. Later on the normal ones would turn back to normal later, and the albino back to well, an albino!

Hope this helps any with understanding what is going on- Matt

What a crazy clutch!!! Those axanthic looking ones are REALLY weird! How are they so silver and still not an axanthic! :confused: Weird! Seeing that albino next to the other three....WOW!!!! I want her!!!! :gj:

It's a blush albino.
The axanthic looking ones are het albinos.
The "blush" line is the only one where the het albinos are visually different as hatchlings. They will look normal after a few sheds.
The albino will have yellow bleeding all over it.

ill take any of them :)

My het blush albino was different at hatching as well.....turned a rather greenish tint for a while, then they turn normal.

Great clutch there by the way!

Congrats!

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

Hey Albey,
Ive actually heard of this happening often with breeding het to het albinos together. Some times the albinos come out pure white with the axanthic colored sibs, and the breeder thinking they hit the odds and made a snow. Later on the normal ones would turn back to normal later, and the albino back to well, an albino!

Hope this helps any with understanding what is going on- Matt

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Hey Matt, thank you for your explanation on this. I never had any doubt it was just a regular Albino and I already knew the Axanthic looking ones would turn normal looking as I had previously hatched out a clutch of them in 2006. I posted a picture of that very clutch later on in this post. When I hatched out that 2006 clutch I sent a message to Brian telling him I had missed the odds on producing an Albino and also asking about the Axanthic looking ones. Here is the email he sent to me.

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Originally Posted by Brian BHB

Hey Albey,I'm so bumded to hear that you didn't have any Albinos. I guess sometimes I pass on some of my luck with odds. It seems like I'm the only one that has stuff like that happen to me. Anyway, in this case I wish my luck would have stayed with me instead of you. As for the "axanthicy" looking animals. This seems to be a little common with het Albinos from some lines. That's where Kevin from NERD produces his faded Albinos from. They aren't really axanthic, but are maybe "hypo" axanthic. They do seem to get more color with age, but still seem to look a little different. I hope that sheds a little light on those babies.
Well, I hope things get better for as far as odds go. I'm sorry that it had to come from an animal that you got from me:( I'll look forward to hearing from you soon, as well as seeing you in a few months. Take care, Brian

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Originally Posted by SPJ

It's a blush albino.
The axanthic looking ones are het albinos.
The "blush" line is the only one where the het albinos are visually different as hatchlings. They will look normal after a few sheds.
The albino will have yellow bleeding all over it.

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SPJ that is very interesting information. As I mentioned earlier in the post I kept one of the Female Axanthic looking offspring from the clutch in 2006 and also one of the Normal looking ones. The Axanthic looking one lost the Axanthic look after a few sheds and now looks totally normal. Is there any chance that the Normal looking hatchlings are also Het For Albino or are only the Axanthic looking ones?

By the way, I sent the link to this posting to Brian in an email so he could check them out. I got this response back from him this evening.

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Originally Posted by Brian BHB

Well I'm glad you finally proved them out:) I was getting worried j/k I have seen a few like this one. Kev calls then faded albinos. They look really sweet when they get older. Congrats again. Hope everything else is going good. Talk soon, Brian

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Yellow Blush Albino, looks almost like a Snow when hatched and the siblings that are Yellow Blush hets look axanthic, sorta greenish. The Yellow Blush should turn more and more yellow as it ages.

And, the Yellow Blush Hets should look normal after a few sheds. Make sure you keep them seperated and labeled as Yellow Blush Hets.

Have a great season.

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Originally Posted by SPJ

It's a blush albino.
The axanthic looking ones are het albinos.
The "blush" line is the only one where the het albinos are visually different as hatchlings. They will look normal after a few sheds.
The albino will have yellow bleeding all over it.

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I hate sleeping!!! :taz:

You were faster than me ;)

Thats very cool Albey, Hypoxanthic babies. Maybe you should work those into another axanthic line to see if it intensifies the axanthic look, or maybe work it into a cinnamon or pastel line to see if it makes a good modifier. I think it would be a fun project.

Are those babies 66% possible hets? Or are they 100% hets?

Beautiful animal and I would like was she looks like as an adult.

Huh, thats pretty cool to know! I wonder if it's a kind of guarantee that the axanthic lookers are actually 100% het since it was a hetXhet breeding. I guess you could sort of prove that by breeding that girl back to dad in a few years and seeing if all the "normals" come out looking that way. She's pretty dang cool Albey glad to hear maybe your luck has turned around some with the recessives :D.

love it! Great color Amazing albino. You always had Quality morphs :gj:
Congrat:banana:

Too bad they go to normal :(. But that albino is going to be sweet!

Thank again everyone. I would still like to hear from anybody that has more information on whether or not the non-Axanthic looking ones can still be Het with the Blush Albinos.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Thats very cool Albey, Hypoxanthic babies. Maybe you should work those into another axanthic line to see if it intensifies the axanthic look, or maybe work it into a cinnamon or pastel line to see if it makes a good modifier. I think it would be a fun project.

Are those babies 66% possible hets? Or are they 100% hets?

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Mark, unfortunately the Axanthic looking ones turn completely normal looking after a few sheds so I don’t think they would add much to the true Axanthic.

It was a Het to Het breeding so they would be 66%.

Here is a picture I took of the one Female I kept from the 2006 clutch.

http://www.albeysreptiles.com/images/phalb06_2_1.jpg

Here is a picture of the same Female that I just took.

http://www.albeysreptiles.com/images/phalb06_2_2.jpg

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Originally Posted by Albey

Thank again everyone. I would still like to hear from anybody that has more information on whether or not the non-Axanthic looking ones can still be Het with the Blush Albinos.

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I am just shooting from the hip on this as I do not have any real background on blushing albinos but I am half inclined to think that what may cause this blushing and the axanthic-looking animals is the result of some type of promoter/expression regulator mutation. And if that is the case then there is the possible it is not linked to the albino loci. You would need to do some significant breeding experiments to prove this out though... And until that is done I, personally, do not think you can say one way or the other that the normal looking are any less het than the axanthic-looking. But that is only based on what I know of albino blushes from reading this thread and this thread alone.

Albey,
Congrats on finally getting something out of that pair. That is a very interesting clutch, and a very beautiful Albino. When I first looked at it, it reminded me of what Kevin (NERD) used to call faded Albinos. If memory serves me right, he even hatched Faded Albino Spiders. He may even have some of those pics on his new site.

Congrats,

WOW!!!! I love low contrast!!! Beautiful little snake!

alright so i just hatched a clutch of 6 from het x het also. the babies bloodline comes from bob clark. i have an albino (not quite that faded but faded) and 2 of the other 3 are axanthic lookin like yours. have you tried breeding them back yet?

I have produced these in the past and the Axanthic looking babies are the Hets for Yellow Blush Albinos.