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Opinions on morph males to get with about $1,000-$1200
After talking to a few breeders I've decided to start planning out how I'm going to get started. I'm going to go with morph males, raise them up and then buy some ready to go normal females to get started as soon as possible.
A well known breeder suggested that I go with a mojave, spider and black pastel which I could get for about $900 plus shipping. I like that idea, they all make morphs with normals which allows me to make morph hatchlings right away for a minimal investment.
Any other suggestions? I might be able to get one or two more snakes with another $300 if I can swing $1200. I'm thinking a YB male and either taking the rest of the money to upgrade from a mojo to a lesser/butter or getting my one morph female which would be another YB to raise up and shoot for ivories.
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Re: Opinions on morph males to get with about $1,000-$1200
spiders, pinstripes, cinnamon, lesser.. are amonng some of my favorites
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From what I hear Pins are some of the worst selling morphs right now. I will get one eventually got make spinner blasts though, just not right away.
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I'm a big fan of hypos and yellowbellies. They are great lookin on their own, and make some great combos.
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jungle pastel, yellowbelly and woma
ive got one down 2 to go lol
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Re: Opinions on morph males to get with about $1,000-$1200
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Originally Posted by ScottyDsntKnow
From what I hear Pins are some of the worst selling morphs right now. I will get one eventually got make spinner blasts though, just not right away.
my roommate just exchanged his spider he bought that had a bad eye for a pin the breeder dropped the price 80 bucks to do it for him
he is cool lookin i guess but theres really not much pattern to work with
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I wouldnt look for multiple males...Id go with a male that express's more than one gene..like Bumble Bee...just my 2 cents
Kevin
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Yeah but that's putting all my hypothetical eggs into one basket. Plus I want to get between 6 and 8 normal ready to go females for the 2010 breeding season and if the bee I get winds up being a sub par breeder or something else happens I'm hosed. I'll go with security for the first season with multiple males that I'll rotate through and then pick up a bee the second go around.
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Re: Opinions on morph males to get with about $1,000-$1200
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Originally Posted by ScottyDsntKnow
Yeah but that's putting all my hypothetical eggs into one basket. Plus I want to get between 6 and 8 normal ready to go females for the 2010 breeding season and if the bee I get winds up being a sub par breeder or something else happens I'm hosed. I'll go with security for the first season with multiple males that I'll rotate through and then pick up a bee the second go around.
or make a bee your first go around
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What I did was buy spider, pinstripe, mojo, pastel, and black pastel male, and 2 pastel, woma, black pastel, mojo females. I've raised them up about a year. My males are all ready.. I've gotten some normals to go with them this season.. I don't know about breeding my morph females though.. They are big enough but the age thing has me wondering.. I'll have to see how they act.. I bought these because I like the morphs and for the crosses that can be made with this group. Good luck with whatever you do.. But it's been said before.. Get what you like.. Your the one that has to feed it for the next 20 years..
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I would go with a pair of lessers and a black pastel female.
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Re: Opinions on morph males to get with about $1,000-$1200
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Originally Posted by ScottyDsntKnow
From what I hear Pins are some of the worst selling morphs right now. I will get one eventually got make spinner blasts though, just not right away.
I can only speak for myself on selling Pins...That statement in my case is the furthest thing from the truth...I wish I had more Pins to sell...I've sold Pins like hotcakes this year along with Lessers - My best sellers this year by far...That and Albinos...
IMO - I wouldn't wait to get your girls - I'd get them before you got your male...It's VERY easy to get males to produce their 1st year (well before their a year old)...Girls are where your time comes in...I've never had much luck buying adult girls but have had great success buying baby females and raising them up...Just my 2 cents...There are a load of males (or multiple males) you can get with $1K...I'd go with double codom/dom males or your bread and butter recessives...
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Originally Posted by BT41042
I can only speak for myself on selling Pins...That statement in my case is the furthest thing from the truth...I wish I had more Pins to sell...I've sold Pins like hotcakes this year along with Lessers - My best sellers this year by far...That and Albinos...
But you're "BT- Rebel from the South" and everyone wants to buy from you ;) And you have some really great product you've put out. LOVED the granite pins!
That being said -- I didn't have any problems with the pins either -- wish I could have produced more females -- everyone wanted females.
Really the only thing I did have problems selling this year were the spinners -- everyone wanted them -- no one wanted to buy them least not at any reasonable price. :mad: Shoulda just done bees like everyone else. And normal males -- having a hard time giving those away. :rolleyes:
As long as you don't produce more than you can take care of until you can sell them anything is a good project.
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Go with what you like.
I am buying my females first because breeding males are easier to come by and are cheaper females are the real investment. Males are just like cheep hookers, easy to find cheap to get and usually willing to get it on.
Just my .02
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I agree with BT n Tosha... I bought all my females first and put the time in to raise them up to breeding weight. As BT said males can go younger and theres nothing saying that the up to weight breeding females will go for you once you pick them up. Some of them need months to settle down before they'll breed for you. I have 2 06' females and 7 07's with one female hovering around 1200g right now so she may go this year. If you're not planning on breeding till 2010 you mine as well just snatch up some combo morph females and skip the normals.
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Re: Opinions on morph males to get with about $1,000-$1200
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Originally Posted by Tosha_Mc
But you're "BT- Rebel from the South" and everyone wants to buy from you ;) And you have some really great product you've put out. LOVED the granite pins!
That being said -- I didn't have any problems with the pins either -- wish I could have produced more females -- everyone wanted females.
Really the only thing I did have problems selling this year were the spinners -- everyone wanted them -- no one wanted to buy them least not at any reasonable price. :mad: Shoulda just done bees like everyone else. And normal males -- having a hard time giving those away. :rolleyes:
As long as you don't produce more than you can take care of until you can sell them anything is a good project.
LOL...Thanks for the laugh Tosha...I appreciate the comments though...I did bomb on the female morphs...I can't give away normal males either - The local petshops won't even take them for free...LOL...
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I wrote a paragraph about why I want to do what I want to do but I guess it got deleted for some reason? If I did something wrong please whoever deleted it PM me and let me know...
Anywho I want to do it with normal females from a reputable place that I know will send me good breeding females and I want to do it to maximize morph output as soon as possible. I've been thinking more and I might bump up the initial investment to $1,500 grabbing a Bee instead of a Spider, a Mojo and BP male, keeping for a year and then breeding to like 6 norms for morph babies. I want my breeding to be self sustaining as in I can make enough morphs the first breeding year to sell to cover my initial investment and then build up from there getting pieds, albinos, more doms/co-doms etc and start doing the cool stuff.
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Work with what you want to work with, not what are hot sellers or whatnot. Morphs go up and down every year and what is a really hot one today will be wholesaled tomorrow. Pick some morphs you like and will enjoy keeping and raising up and then go for it!
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Originally Posted by Nightmare Creatures
Work with what you want to work with, not what are hot sellers or whatnot. Morphs go up and down every year and what is a really hot one today will be wholesaled tomorrow. Pick some morphs you like and will enjoy keeping and raising up and then go for it!
This is the best advice that I keep hearing and definitely take to heart. I do like Pins and may get one if the price is right but for my first year I do have to keep costs down and the Spider, Mojo and BP/Cinny are all inexpensive co-dom/dom morphs that'll get me started. Later on I'll buy a bee male, lesser male and a pin male and some more normal breeders.
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for many combos SPIDER , BUTTER , and PINSTRIPE.
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Originally Posted by B.P.Lucifer
for many combos SPIDER , BUTTER , and PINSTRIPE.
Thinking of Mojo and BP instead of the Butter/Lesser to get 4 snakes since the mojo and bp will be about $600 which is about the going rate for a single lesser. I'll buy a lesser male later on or trade for one with morph hatchlings and breed it to mojo holdback females for clean lucys.
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Mmm all my comments are deleted in this post.. ? Why so
I think you make a good choice but its already sad. Do look for something you think you will sell for allot of money just buy what you love
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I would get yourself a spider male, pastel female, and a lesser female. You could create some pretty cool crosses.
Hope this helps.
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He's another opinion..Think of tomorrow and not today as to breeding.:cool:
Kevin
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Hi
Thats very true kevin. Because you can breed in about 2-3 with those females.. but in that time there are allot of new morphs so..
my opinion is. Buy what you like and great what you like. Do breed for the money
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I personally would start with as many female morphs as you can get... Maybe a Pastel, Spider, Mojave, and Cinny... Get them all nice and fat and then when the first 09 babies start popping up, pick up a good male like a Lemon Blast, Pewter, Pastave, etc... In 2010 you will be producing some very sweet combos with quite a few different flavors for trading or selling.
Getting these co-dom males might seem the quickest way to start producing morphs, but single co-dom males are losing value everyday and wont be as easy to trade-up for combos. Also getting females later on when you are ready to breed doesnt seem like the moust sound plan.
If I had to start all over I would only buy morph females... Bees, Pewters, Super Pastels, and anything I could get my hands on. In a couple years you will be much further ahead then you would be if you do it the other way around.
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I'm going with what I want to do because of advice from professional breeders who do this for a living and it meshes with the goal I have of eventually doing this as a part or full time job. Not saying anyone's way is wrong, I just want to get started asap and raising morph females for 3 years isn't asap. I can't buy any more snakes anyway till I get a house with the room which is in February. I don't want to spend more than $300 for each male which is about right for the ones I want(spider/bp/mojo/maybe pin).
Now, I also want this to be self sustaining after the initial investment so I need to get producing as soon as possible. No way is a baby female I buy in the spring going to be ready to go in 2010, it just isn't happening and I don't have the money to be dropping for ready to go morph females. If I buy hatchling females in spring 2009 I won't be ready to breed until 2012 and I won't have morph babies till 2013... Ouch... However if I get my males in the spring and buy some ready to go females when they get up to size(maybe even by the 2009 season if I get them early enough in the year) I can start right away.
I've done the math and I can start making money back with the male/normal female method to invest in more morphs much sooner this way. Plus I'll be making my own female morphs for free and only be 1 year back from having breeder morph females while making money 3 years sooner to get back my initial investment and fund going forward.
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Originally Posted by Python Dreams
I personally would start with as many female morphs as you can get... Maybe a Pastel, Spider, Mojave, and Cinny... Get them all nice and fat and then when the first 09 babies start popping up, pick up a good male like a Lemon Blast, Pewter, Pastave, etc... In 2010 you will be producing some very sweet combos with quite a few different flavors for trading or selling.
Getting these co-dom males might seem the quickest way to start producing morphs, but single co-dom males are losing value everyday and wont be as easy to trade-up for combos. Also getting females later on when you are ready to breed doesnt seem like the moust sound plan.
If I had to start all over I would only buy morph females... Bees, Pewters, Super Pastels, and anything I could get my hands on. In a couple years you will be much further ahead then you would be if you do it the other way around.
Best post in this thread...
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Originally Posted by ScottyDsntKnow
I'm going with what I want to do because of advice from professional breeders who do this for a living and it meshes with the goal I have of eventually doing this as a part or full time job. Not saying anyone's way is wrong, I just want to get started asap and raising morph females for 3 years isn't asap. I can't buy any more snakes anyway till I get a house with the room which is in February. I don't want to spend more than $300 for each male which is about right for the ones I want(spider/bp/mojo/maybe pin).
Now, I also want this to be self sustaining after the initial investment so I need to get producing as soon as possible. No way is a baby female I buy in the spring going to be ready to go in 2010, it just isn't happening and I don't have the money to be dropping for ready to go morph females. If I buy hatchling females in spring 2009 I won't be ready to breed until 2012 and I won't have morph babies till 2013... Ouch... However if I get my males in the spring and buy some ready to go females when they get up to size(maybe even by the 2009 season if I get them early enough in the year) I can start right away.
I've done the math and I can start making money back with the male/normal female method to invest in more morphs much sooner this way. Plus I'll be making my own female morphs for free and only be 1 year back from having breeder morph females while making money 3 years sooner to get back my initial investment and fund going forward.
Sounds good on paper but I hate to be the one to burst your bubble - So I won't - But you'll see...If you want to do this as a business - full time or part time - You'll need a whole lot more capital than $1200 to play the game...Not trying to bring you down but you need to be realistic...
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Originally Posted by BT41042
Sounds good on paper but I hate to be the one to burst your bubble - So I won't - But you'll see...If you want to do this as a business - full time or part time - You'll need a whole lot more capital than $1200 to play the game...Not trying to bring you down but you need to be realistic...
Amen brother!!!
I won't get in to the males vs. females debate, but ... the advice that I can give is this ...
If you're planning on starting a business either full or part time, please do yourself a favor and put as much into the "business" side as the "animal" side. Take a class (or two or three or four), read books, talk to small business owners ... sales, marketing, advertising, finance, accounting, etc ... are all actually more important than the "animal part" ... and most important ... write up a business plan ... you won't regret it. The animal part is the EASY and fun part ... the rest is real work and it sucks sometimes ... 9 out of 10 business fail in their first three years because the people that started the business had no idea how to run a business. Doesn't matter if you produce a million dollars worth of snakes, if you can't run a business, you've lost before you even started.
Hope this helps and I wish you the best of luck.
-adam
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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki
Amen brother!!!
I won't get in to the males vs. females debate, but ... the advice that I can give is this ...
If you're planning on starting a business either full or part time, please do yourself a favor and put as much into the "business" side as the "animal" side. Take a class (or two or three or four), read books, talk to small business owners ... sales, marketing, advertising, finance, accounting, etc ... are all actually more important than the "animal part" ... and most important ... write up a business plan ... you won't regret it. The animal part is the EASY and fun part ... the rest is real work and it sucks sometimes ... 9 out of 10 business fail in their first three years because the people that started the business had no idea how to run a business. Doesn't matter if you produce a million dollars worth of snakes, if you can't run a business, you've lost before you even started.
Hope this helps and I wish you the best of luck.
-adam
I spoke with Adam awhile ago about this and it finally sunk in. The business aspect is very important. Writing out a business plan will put everything into perspective for you. The important thing is to be very conservative. Always figure that you will have less females than males, whatever your final figure is, cut it in half - this is the number that you go by. Good luck -
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I'm going to make expense/income charts/spreadsheets to plan out seasons, plan conservatively, build a website, advertise everywhere, take into account that if I have 6 clutches I might only come out with 3 or 4 the first year until I get really good at it etc... and also I'm taking into account the cost of racks, food, increases to power/heat bills likely vet visits and the whole 9. I plan on having my own ASF colony to help keep food costs down and cover all bases as far as meal size, live/ft etc...
I totally understand what you are saying and I have been told that you have to run this like a business or it will fail. The best advice I had about it was that there are breeders and then there are business owners who happen to be breeders and that you need to concentrate on the marketing/accounting/business side of this thing or it'll tank and you'll wind up just spending money to breed instead of making money from breeding.
Hey, at least doing this I might actually use my basically useless Bachelor's degree. I'm an aircraft mechanic but I went and got a BA in poli sci(have business/marketing electives I took so I have a good idea of how it all works on paper) in case I ever wanted to be a pilot since the military paid for it all lol.
I really appreciate all the responses and I am not trying to pretend to know anything about this business other than how it theoretically works until I actually start doing it. I'm just trying to make it known that I'm not going into it with a pair of thick rose colored glasses on and thinking I know everything. I do have a plan and if I stick to it and stay disciplined I can have a decent shot at it working I think.
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