reguge problem

so this is the second week in a row i fed the little guy and he regurgitates days after eating.the first time it looked like poop,this time its lighter colored.im taking him to the vet monday or tuesday but wondering wat could be the problem.it looks to me like its been digested so i dunno why he is spitting it out.could he be stopped up or is this a infection or parasite issue?i have not handled him since feeding.any help?

People are going to ask for all the husbandry details, including me:)

What size snake? What size prey?

the snake is about 90 grams and eats 1 hooper or a small mouse.last week was a hopper,this week a lil bigger than a hopper.i wasnt sure if he regurged last week but i seen it this time.it was horrible.the skin around the neck and bottom was all twisted looking.after the regurge he looks fine.he is in a ten gallon tank.here is a pic
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...Picture065.jpg

Well everything seems to be fine with the setup. One small thing is to use identical hides, but that won't cause a regurge.

Best thing to do is to go ahead and take it to the vet. Let us know what comes out of it.

anyone else?
ideas?
please
stressing out now
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It could be a parasite or a bacterial infection. Do you get your rodents from a good source?
You say you weren't sure if the first time was an actual regurgitation but the second time you were sure but this was a larger meal. It could very well have been just too large of a prey item this time because there is no mistaking a regurgitated rodent. The smell is horrible.

thats the whole thing.it had pretty much no smell (yea im guilty of whiffing it) i posted a prior thread on this.everyone but 1 person said it was poop.i even thought it was poop.ughhh!
i recently changed where im getting the mice but i have 4 other snakes with no problems at all.
here is a link to the past post
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/n...ote=1&p=877039

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thats the whole thing.it had pretty much no smell (yea im guilty of whiffing it) i posted a prior thread on this.everyone but 1 person said it was poop.i even thought it was poop.ughhh!

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If it had no smell then it wasn't a regurge. I would say that it was probably the larger meal that caused the regurge and to switch prey size to a small hopper.
Give the snake a week to recover from the stress of regurgitating the last meal and then offer a small meal. If regurgitation occurs, get him to a vet ASAP!

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Originally Posted by ptate

If it had no smell then it wasn't a regurge. I would say that it was probably the larger meal that caused the regurge and to switch prey size to a small hopper.
Give the snake a week to recover from the stress of regurgitating the last meal and then offer a small meal. If regurgitation occurs, get him to a vet ASAP!

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this is the second week in a row.both were definatly regurges.it didnt smell this time while fresh.

second question.if i keep the regurge will it last till i get to the vet monday or tuesday for a testing?

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Originally Posted by Butters420

this is the second week in a row.both were definatly regurges.it didnt smell this time while fresh.

second question.if i keep the regurge will it last till i get to the vet monday or tuesday for a testing?

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I must have misread. I didn't realize this was the second occurrence. Definitely get him to a vet. They may or may not be able to get a good sample from the rodent but put it in a ziplock bag and stick it in the fridge and take it with you just in case they can use it. Do you get your rodents from a good source? Is it possible for you to get another rodent from the same source to take with you to the vet so that they can get a good sample from it.

lol,its no longer a rodent.this blows!
yea i get them from a good source.i can get a mouse and have it tested.how much will this cost?i really dont think its the mice though.the guy that owns this place is a pro.he is sarcastic as hell and i dont like him,but he knows his stuff and would not sell infected rodents or reptiles.

i just cant grasp why this snake regurges digested rodents.it makes no sense.i have seen nice urates so the passage must be clear.

after he regurged i gave him a soak for about 30 minutes and he was stressed out!!!!!!! just picking him up was tough w/o getting tagged.
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Butters420

so this is the second week in a row i fed the little guy and he regurgitates days after eating.the first time it looked like poop,this time its lighter colored.im taking him to the vet monday or tuesday but wondering wat could be the problem.it looks to me like its been digested so i dunno why he is spitting it out.could he be stopped up or is this a infection or parasite issue?i have not handled him since feeding.any help?

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So was this first time determined to be poop or a regurge? I'm a little confused. Could you post pics of the second occurrence?

I'm not sure on the prices of the tests but it may be worth while if your snake ends up having a bacterial infection.

well after seeing him do it this time im 100% that last week was as well.im trying to get pics of this time.there is more hair and its lighter colored.

upon request
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...Picture068.jpg
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...Picture069.jpg

That definitely doesn't look like poop. Keep us updated on the vet visit. Hopefully everything gets better for you and your snake! Sorry I couldn't be of more help, I don't know what else to tell you.
Good luck!

Was it live? F/T?
I would wait a couple of weeks before feeding again and definately get him to the vet.

If it was F/T I would be concerned about quality.
Sounds like the snake has some kind of digestive disorder wether it be parasitic or viral.

Doesnt sound like fun. Hope you get a vet to clear it up soon.

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Originally Posted by West Coast Jungle

Was it live? F/T?
I would wait a couple of weeks before feeding again and definately get him to the vet.

If it was F/T I would be concerned about quality.
Sounds like the snake has some kind of digestive disorder wether it be parasitic or viral.

Doesnt sound like fun. Hope you get a vet to clear it up soon.

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it was live.
ugh.nice thing is im on vacation this week so i can take him to the vet no problem
bad thing,there goes my round of golf

After a re-gurge, you shouldn't attempt to feed for at least two weeks, because they need time to re-build the fauna in their bellies. The regurge itself is very stressful on their body and not being allowed to recover only makes it worse.

Secondly - my very first ball python regurged and I jumped on here immediately and was advised to take him the vet, which I did and he had internal parasites that had caused the regurge. He was treated with Panacur by the vet, one dose a week. He was not offered food again until a week AFTER his last doseage.

Good luck - the vet is far more important than that round of golf!

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Originally Posted by rabernet

After a re-gurge, you shouldn't attempt to feed for at least two weeks, because they need time to re-build the fauna in their bellies. The regurge itself is very stressful on their body and not being allowed to recover only makes it worse.

Secondly - my very first ball python regurged and I jumped on here immediately and was advised to take him the vet, which I did and he had internal parasites that had caused the regurge. He was treated with Panacur by the vet, one dose a week. He was not offered food again until a week AFTER his last doseage.

Good luck - the vet is far more important than that round of golf!

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thanks
i know the vet is more important.it just sux i have to give up a round of golf due to a sick snake.i got this guy as a captive bred animal at a show and expected no problems.needless to say im a little bit upset.

you said the doctor gave the snake panacur treatments? weird,my vet just gave me the medication and said here you go,give this orally once a week.this was for a captive hatched girl i got awhile back (she is doing great now) but did it cost extra to have the vet do it?

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thanks
i know the vet is more important.it just sux i have to give up a round of golf due to a sick snake.i got this guy as a captive bred animal at a show and expected no problems.needless to say im a little bit upset.

you said the doctor gave the snake panacur treatments? weird,my vet just gave me the medication and said here you go,give this orally once a week.this was for a captive hatched girl i got awhile back (she is doing great now) but did it cost extra to have the vet do it?

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No, it didn't cost me extra to have the vet do it, but my vet is one of a kind. He also doesn't charge me office visits for my snakes, only for treatment. Same with the rats. The only animals that get office visit charges are the dog and cats.

He's the exotics vet at my dog and cat clinic, and I have another vet on my speed dial for anything bigger than general wellness or internal parasites that only works with herps.

Butters, whether it's a captive bred snake or not, whether it's a dog or a cat or a bird - keeping animals equals occasional vet costs. To expect that you'd never have a vet cost because a snake is captive bred is fooling yourself.

I think you fed far too soon and far too big after the last regurge, which is likely what triggered this one. Are you absolutely sure this snake isn't being handled too much after eating? Are you sure your temps are correct so that this snake can digest fast enough before the prey inside it starts to decompose?

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Butters, whether it's a captive bred snake or not, whether it's a dog or a cat or a bird - keeping animals equals occasional vet costs. To expect that you'd never have a vet cost because a snake is captive bred is fooling yourself.

i just expected to buy a healthy snake

I think you fed far too soon and far too big after the last regurge, which is likely what triggered this one. Are you absolutely sure this snake isn't being handled too much after eating? Are you sure your temps are correct so that this snake can digest fast enough before the prey inside it starts to decompose?

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im 100% sure im not handling too soon after feeding.i really dont handle mine much period.i take them out here and there.if i am going to handle one its the oldest.he is more chill.

as for feeding him too soon,i wasnt sure he regurged the first time or i would have waited a few weeks.

unless the thermometer is broke the temps are dead on