Two ball pythons in same tank, how should I feed them ?

Hi, first of all, I'm swiss so please forgive my english :)

I recently bought two young ball pythons, as a matter of simplicity, I put them together in a 55 gal tank. They seem well together.
I'd like to ask you some advice about how to feed them:

Should I put one in a separate tank ?
If so, how should I get it back in his original tank, since I've heard it's not very good to handle him after feeding ?

I feed them f/t by the way.

Thanks a lot for your advice, I'm pretty new in this area !

First of all, I would recommend setting them up in their own enclosures. With appropriate hides, water bowls, heat, etc. Then feed them in those enclosures.

Also, if they're young bp's...a 55 gallon is going to be too big. Look into setting them up in their own sterilite or rubbermaid tubs. It's inexpensive and keeps them happy. :)

Take the 55gal tank to the pet store and trade it for 2 20gal long tanks and set them up seperately. Then just feed them in their living enclosures.

Thanks for you advice !
The thing is that I already bought this tank, it's not very cheap so I'd like to keep them in it for the moment. When they grow up, I'm planning to move one of them in another 55 gallon tank.

The guy at the pet store said they'd be fine together, and I think he's right, they always stay in the same hide without any conflict. :)

So if they can't be in a separate enclosure, what would you say about how to feed them ?

You should seperate them. If you choses not to then you will have to pay the price if one of the snakes do not thrive like it should, or if one gets sick you have 2 vet bills. A 55 gal tank is TOO BIG even for an adult ball python. Typical pet store employee selling things. You will get much better advice on this website than at a pet store. If you refuse to do what's best for your snakes then atleast get something to make a partition and make the 55 tank into 2 tanks. If you wont do that then both snakes need to be moved to rubbermaid tubs for feeding. Wait at least 30 minutes after feeding to move the snakes back to the 55 tank. Feeding one in the tank will create a sence of dominance in one snake over the other. This will eventually happen anyway unless you seperate them. Good luck.

like the others said, you should not keep them together.

the ppl at the petstore aren't the most knowledgeable.

if ur not going to listen to the others advise, then feed them separately.. which would be the 2nd logical thing to do. with the first being to listen to the ppl above. people here know a lot more than u think

I think you should stop listening to the guy at the petstore because your current setup is going to be extremely stressful on those snakes. You will likely have feeding problems no matter what method you use to feed them.

Don't worry though. A lot of us have been in your position before, where we received bad advice from a petstore and wasted money as a result.

Go with separate enclosures and make them smaller.

Also, how are you heating the tank? What are the temps like?

Thanks all of you,
I'll definitely consider getting two smaller enclosures for my pythons, or find a way to separate it into two small parts.

My tank is heated by a heating lamp (40W) and the temps are 90-92 for the warm side, and 80 for the cool side. Humidity is around 70-80% (don't know how to decrease it)...

Here's a picture of my tank:
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...rium_thumb.jpg

With a beautiful tank like that I'm not sure what I would do in your position... whether I would try and divide it or just scrap it and start over.

Actually what I would do is buy a red tail boa, put it inside that gorgeous tank, and then put my balls into rubber tubs in a dark spot with low human traffic. Boas make really nice display snakes whereas ball pythons are really shy and prefer to be secluded and alone.

Wow that is a nice looking tank

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With a beautiful tank like that I'm not sure what I would do in your position... whether I would try and divide it or just scrap it and start over.

Actually what I would do is buy a red tail boa, put it inside that gorgeous tank, and then put my balls into rubber tubs in a dark spot with low human traffic. Boas make really nice display snakes whereas ball pythons are really shy and prefer to be secluded and alone.

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i second that solution actually i'm thinkin of pickin up a rtb myself.

x3 :gj:

WOW, that is a nice tank. Before I keep any snake in it I would get the heat lamps out of the tank itself. Snakes will try and get warm by touching the lamps and not realize they are getting burned. It does look like the lamps are in the tank, correct me if I'm wrong. With any snake I would invest in a nice UTH. The surface temps are what is important. I do not particularly like them myself but that tank would be stunning with a green tree python in it!!!!!

The tank does look nice, but that's no excuse to let each snake suffer.

Ball pythons are fairly laid back snakes. They don't "fight" they way we think of it. When you see your snakes laying together, one is usually on top of the other. It looks like cuddling, but the one on top is asserting dominance. It's only a matter of time before the smaller one starts getting pushed around more and more.

When they are together you can't tell
1- Whose poop you've just found
2- Which animal is eating and which one is getting nothing
3- Whose shed you've just found

Also, if one gets sick they will both get sick.

It is a LOT of stress for both animals. Ball pythons are NOT social, and they live singly (alone and by themselves) in the wild. They also live in tiny little rodent holes in the ground - that is why they will always choose the smallest place to hide in. They like things confined and dark. That is what's natural to them. In addition, they do not look to the sun for heat (which your over-head heating lamps are simulating). They get their heat from the ground, and having heat on their bellies helps them to digest their food better. This is why it is recommended to purchase a heater for UNDER the tank. Another problem with the lamps is that they are notorious for drying up the air in the tank. Ball pythons need at least 50% humidity at all times. Heat lamps make this very difficult to achieve.

I completely understand your desire to display your snakes, and your reluctance to give up the large tank. But what the others have said is true: ball pythons are NOT display snakes. They are secretive and shy.

You would do much better for yourself to take both snakes out of that tank and put them each into a ten gallon tank, or BETTER YET - move each one into a plastic, under-the-bed sweater box. You can find all the details on this stuff here:
http://ball-pythons.net/modules.php?...warticle&id=59

That's our care sheet. It will tell you most everything you need to know in order to care for ball pythons.

Please don't listen to an under-educated pet store employee. His job is to sell you as much stuff as possible and make the most money he can. We are not here to sell you anything - we are genuinely interested in the well-being of your snakes.

Think about it.

If you have anymore questions you can PM (private message) me if you'd like.

Thanks for those precious informations, I'm new to reptiles so don't really know how to deal with them yet. Those advices are very helpful for me, thanks.

Maybe I will give one to my brother, who always wanted to have a python, and keep the other one for me. Do you think it's ok if I keep the big tank with small hides, lot of things to fill the tank, and UTH for one snake ? Or should I imperatively take a small tank ?
Because (thanks to the pet guy) it's quite a lot of money if I have to buy all that stuff again (smaller tank, smaller water "pool", smaller tree, smaller everything) to fit in a small tank.

I'm quite confused actually, because last night I was watching them move, and they were exploring, climbing everywhere in the enclosure and it didn't look like the extra space was bothering them..

Again I'm new to snakes, please forgive me if my judgment is wrong.

Thanks again !

Firstly I'd like to say that that tank is really nice and looks awesome as far as decorations...

But yeah give one snake to your brother... you'll most likely have less problems with each snake being healthy and feeding if they are alone.

what sexes are the snakes?

Fabulous tank indeed...two 30 gal tanks just like that would be perfect.

Wish my pet store had nice tanks like that.

I don't know the sexes of the pythons yet, I have to get them probed.

Do you guys think that this tank is too big for only one of them ? Maybe if I fill it with some more trees, plants and hides he'll feel more secure ?

Problem solved, my brother is taking on of them in a smaller tank he'll buy soon.

Thanks again for all your advices, I'll keep you up to date with further evolutions !

Great forum by the way

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I don't know the sexes of the pythons yet, I have to get them probed.

Do you guys think that this tank is too big for only one of them ? Maybe if I fill it with some more trees, plants and hides he'll feel more secure ?

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Here look at it like this they may keep eating and will be fine in that enclosure. However if they are not ok you have multiple reasons why they might have gone off feeding, is the cage to big or is it because they are stressed due to being housed togeather or a combination of the two. You can throw illness into the mix and if one of them gets sick you can pretty much count on them both getting it because they are housed togeather. My point is if any of this happens your solution is to separate them and move them into smaller inclosure's and go from there. So weather you wait for it to happen or you are proactive and do it so it will not happen the outcome will end up being the same.

I can't even tell you how much money I have waisted keeping my snakes trying something and finding out it sucks or beginner mistakes. The point is I learned you don't have to make it fancy to keep them correctly a thermostat, two steralite tubs and small UTH and you are set. Look giving up one to your brother isn't going to fix your problems here you need to get your husbandry right and we will help you do that but that tank is too big and you should house them in diffrent enclosures.

Chuck

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Do you guys think that this tank is too big for only one of them ? Maybe if I fill it with some more trees, plants and hides he'll feel more secure ?

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Exactly...A 55 gallon tank is not too big, a 180 gallon tank isn't too big either, as long as you clutter it up and have the appropriate hides.

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Exactly...A 55 gallon tank is not too big, a 180 gallon tank isn't too big either, as long as you clutter it up and have the appropriate hides.

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Really than why

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I recently moved my bp into a smaller tank. He is now in a 30 gallon one.

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I am curious how do you provide proper gradient temps in a 180 gallons tank :confused:

Divide the tank into at least 2; maybe three. Cut plexi glass to size and slide it into place as a divider. Then use clear silicone to seal it up. You will have 2 or 3 tanks made out of 1. When ever you want to make it a 55g again; the stuff will scrape off with a razor and wipe clean with denatured alcohol.

Here's one I made into 2 tanks
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...ma279/Tank.jpg

Good luck!

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http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...ma279/Tank.jpg

Good luck!

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With a setup like this, I'm curious... would you heat the middle with a large UTH? or would you heat the ends, using two?

I have a 55 gal that I'm thinking about separating. :)

There's one big factor that hasn't been mentioned about large tanks: They're too TALL. I had a 55gal for my beardie, and I would never get one again...even for a big lizard. 55's and anything above them, unless custom made, are usually way too tall for ground dwelling snakes like BPs. The extra height makes it twice as hard to keep temperatures where they should be, so most people use lights to boost the temps which drains humidity dry. They're just too much trouble...at least for a Ball Python.

Now, a divided large tank for corns or other climbing low-humidity snakes is another thing entirely... :)

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With a setup like this, I'm curious... would you heat the middle with a large UTH? or would you heat the ends, using two?

I have a 55 gal that I'm thinking about separating. :)

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This is quite a good idea. What would you do for the heating ?

I'm thinking about using a large one at the middle, it may be easier to control temperature as there is only one source of heating.

Maybe I'll go wth this idea.

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There's one big factor that hasn't been mentioned about large tanks: They're too TALL. I had a 55gal for my beardie, and I would never get one again...even for a big lizard. 55's and anything above them, unless custom made, are usually way too tall for ground dwelling snakes like BPs. The extra height makes it twice as hard to keep temperatures where they should be, so most people use lights to boost the temps which drains humidity dry. They're just too much trouble...at least for a Ball Python.

Now, a divided large tank for corns or other climbing low-humidity snakes is another thing entirely... :)

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Does a tall tank has an effect on the snake's behavior, stress, or wellbeing ? Or is it only a matter of keeping temps at a good level ? Because my 55 gal is 50cm (1.6 foot) high, and I have no problem keeping temps at a good level.

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Really than why

I am curious how do you provide proper gradient temps in a 180 gallons tank :confused:

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We moved our BP into a 30 gallon tank because we bought a Bearded Dragon, and the extra room is more important to the Bearded Dragon than it is to our Ball Python.

And you would provide "proper gradient temps" in a 180 gallon tank as you would any other tank. I'm not suggesting that a 55 gallon tank in NEEDED for a BP, I'm just saying you can use one so long as its cluttered up. To often people throw around the term "stressed" they say the BP is stressed cause its in too big of a tank...So they must be REALLY stressed when they are slithering around Africa, good thing we come along to toss them in a tupperware container and save them from themselves huh?

Does anyone has some advice on what material (plexiglass, polystyrene, etc) should I use for separating my tank ?
Should the pythons see each other or not ?

Is a 26gal tank ok for one small BP ?

Thanks

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We moved our BP into a 30 gallon tank because we bought a Bearded Dragon, and the extra room is more important to the Bearded Dragon than it is to our Ball Python.

And you would provide "proper gradient temps" in a 180 gallon tank as you would any other tank. I'm not suggesting that a 55 gallon tank in NEEDED for a BP, I'm just saying you can use one so long as its cluttered up. To often people throw around the term "stressed" they say the BP is stressed cause its in too big of a tank...So they must be REALLY stressed when they are slithering around Africa, good thing we come along to toss them in a tupperware container and save them from themselves huh?

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Two things.

Firstly, they probably ARE stressed when they're in Africa. They spend all day in dark holes in the ground where they feel safe, and when they have to come out to hunt (assuming nothing food-worthy has wandered into their hole first) they are probably very cautious. I would imagine that they stick to dense underbrush and covered areas. Only rarely would they ever actually make it into the wide open Savannah. So they keep themselves covered.

Second, these snakes that we're keeping in our homes have (at least most of them) never even seen Africa. So it is up to us to provide them with an environment as secure and comfortable as is humanly possible. We don't give them the option of choosing their own habitat, so we have to provide what we think they would choose FOR THEM.

That is why we keep them in tubs and densely decorated tanks.

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To often people throw around the term "stressed" they say the BP is stressed cause its in too big of a tank

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I wonder would it be based on experience :rolleyes:

You cannot compare wild and captivity.

What experience do you have with a BP house in a 180 or 55 gallons tank?

Why don’t you make the experiment (for a year) and see how it works for you?

3 weeks of ownership is just not enough to conclude that a large enclosure is not stressful or that it is something that people just throw around.

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Two things.

Firstly, they probably ARE stressed when they're in Africa. They spend all day in dark holes in the ground where they feel safe, and when they have to come out to hunt (assuming nothing food-worthy has wandered into their hole first) they are probably very cautious. I would imagine that they stick to dense underbrush and covered areas. Only rarely would they ever actually make it into the wide open Savannah. So they keep themselves covered.

Second, these snakes that we're keeping in our homes have (at least most of them) never even seen Africa. So it is up to us to provide them with an environment as secure and comfortable as is humanly possible. We don't give them the option of choosing their own habitat, so we have to provide what we think they would choose FOR THEM.

That is why we keep them in tubs and densely decorated tanks.

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I totally agree with you. I'm not saying BPs are unhappy in tubs, in fact I'm sure they feel very secure, just as secure as they would feel in a large enclosure that is cluttered and has the appropriate hides. That's the point I was trying to make in my initial post, and that is that a 55 gallon tank isn't needed but it can make a perfectly fine home for a BP.

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I totally agree with you. I'm not saying BPs are unhappy in tubs, in fact I'm sure they feel very secure, just as secure as they would feel in a large enclosure that is cluttered and has the appropriate hides. That's the point I was trying to make in my initial post, and that is that a 55 gallon tank isn't needed but it can make a perfectly fine home for a BP.

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Ok, I will have to agree with you on that - provided someone keeps the tank "cluttered" enough, there shouldn't be a problem with security. But on the other hand, I still think it would be far too difficult to maintain humidity and temps, thus making a large tank simply not worth it. *shrug*

Hi,

Just one point I havent seen mentioned - you need to get some kind of gaurd round that light bulb to prevent your snakes possibly getting burned by direct contact.

I made my own but there are some you can buy pre made - I'm not sure how you would attatch them in that tank but there will be one way I'm sure.

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...rtankgaurd.JPG


dr del

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Exactly...A 55 gallon tank is not too big, a 180 gallon tank isn't too big either, as long as you clutter it up and have the appropriate hides.

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Ok, I will have to agree with you on that - provided someone keeps the tank "cluttered" enough, there shouldn't be a problem with security. But on the other hand, I still think it would be far too difficult to maintain humidity and temps, thus making a large tank simply not worth it. *shrug*

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Not to mention the fact that you have to disinfect all that stuff and maintain cleanliness in a cage full of ten thousand things. You know it really sorta irks me when you take the time to teach or guide someone who has been given bad advice or has never been given any advice what so ever on how to care for there animal correctly. You spend the time trying to tell them what they are doing is going to run them into trouble at some point and how they should do it. Then you get someone who comes along and undermines you by telling them what they wanted to hear in the first place so now they think its ok to keep snakes in cages that are to big for them as long as you pack it full of enough crap.Even though that may not be exactly how you ment it thats what they take from it. I guess if Dave Barker was telling people this it would be a different story since Dave has worked with thousands of snakes so I would say unless you have worked with thousands of snakes its a bad idea to tell anyone anything that goes agents what captive husandry has taught us in the past 30 years or so.

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Originally Posted by DamienF

Does anyone has some advice on what material (plexiglass, polystyrene, etc) should I use for separating my tank ?
Should the pythons see each other or not ?

Is a 26gal tank ok for one small BP ?

Thanks

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I used plexi and silicone.... they can see each other. It should be fine.

A 26g is plenty for a small bp.... depending on how small you're talking; maybe too big.
I have mine currently in a 20g and he's a big boy.

And the large tanks are harder to heat. And the lamps kill humidity. When mine housed bps I had to spray it more frequently.... and kept the water under the lamp. But I had the lamp on a dimmer and also used a UTH so it didn't have to always burn as hard. I switched to smaller tanks because of the bulk of the 55g mainly... it was really in the way, very heavy and a little because of the extra maintanence.
It can be done... and can work just fine. Some people are just way too anal about things....
No offense to the anal ;)

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Originally Posted by karma279

I used plexi and silicone.... they can see each other. It should be fine.

A 26g is plenty for a small bp.... depending on how small you're talking; maybe too big.
I have mine currently in a 20g and he's a big boy.

And the large tanks are harder to heat. And the lamps kill humidity. When mine housed bps I had to spray it more frequently.... and kept the water under the lamp. But I had the lamp on a dimmer and also used a UTH so it didn't have to always burn as hard. I switched to smaller tanks because of the bulk of the 55g mainly... it was really in the way, very heavy and a little because of the extra maintanence.
It can be done... and can work just fine. Some people are just way too anal about things....
No offense to the anal ;)

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Thanks, I think I'll go with the plexi/silicone solution, seems fine.

My BPs are ~23 inches long, so still quite small, it should be ok.

I'm actually having the two of them in the same 55g tank, and it seems ok to maintain temps and humidity. But I think I'll just keep two UTH heat the two separate sides of the tank once divided. Ambient light should be fine too.

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Not to mention the fact that you have to disinfect all that stuff and maintain cleanliness in a cage full of ten thousand things. You know it really sorta irks me when you take the time to teach or guide someone who has been given bad advice or has never been given any advice what so ever on how to care for there animal correctly. You spend the time trying to tell them what they are doing is going to run them into trouble at some point and how they should do it. Then you get someone who comes along and undermines you by telling them what they wanted to hear in the first place so now they think its ok to keep snakes in cages that are to big for them as long as you pack it full of enough crap.Even though that may not be exactly how you ment it thats what they take from it. I guess if Dave Barker was telling people this it would be a different story since Dave has worked with thousands of snakes so I would say unless you have worked with thousands of snakes its a bad idea to tell anyone anything that goes agents what captive husandry has taught us in the past 30 years or so.

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This thread was started by DamienF, and he already had a 55 gallon tank, and (by the time I read it) he had given one of his BPs to his brother, and wanted to know if he could use the 55 gallon tank for just the one snake, because he didnt want to have to buy all new stuff. I dont see any reason someone cant use a 55 gallon tank as long as you make it into a secure home. I have agreed several times that a large tank is not needed, however you can make it work.

Thanks Funky#2 !
I kept the 55gal tank, but instead of giving my brother one of my BPs, I just divided the tank in half, just like karma279 advised. And I think it's working well.

Here some pictures of the tank now:
(the water bowls aren't there yet, but soon)

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...ium1_thumb.jpg https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...ium2_thumb.jpg https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...ium3_thumb.jpg https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...ium4_thumb.jpg

And, as a supplement, some pics of Nelson :) :
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...hon1_thumb.jpg https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...hon2_thumb.jpg https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...hon3_thumb.jpg

It looks great!

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I used plexi and silicone.... they can see each other. It should be fine.

A 26g is plenty for a small bp.... depending on how small you're talking; maybe too big.
I have mine currently in a 20g and he's a big boy.

And the large tanks are harder to heat. And the lamps kill humidity. When mine housed bps I had to spray it more frequently.... and kept the water under the lamp. But I had the lamp on a dimmer and also used a UTH so it didn't have to always burn as hard. I switched to smaller tanks because of the bulk of the 55g mainly... it was really in the way, very heavy and a little because of the extra maintanence.
It can be done... and can work just fine. Some people are just way too anal about things....
No offense to the anal ;)

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We're not being anal.. my yearling ball python wouldn't eat for almost 4 months because he was in a 20 gallon. I cluttered it as much as humanly possible and it didn't matter.
He ate as SOON as he got into the properly sized tub.

Anyhow. Damien, that's probably solved your problem. The divider in the middle should make the individual cages ok for them, and that way, if one gets sick you know which one! :]

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Thanks Funky#2 !
I kept the 55gal tank, but instead of giving my brother one of my BPs, I just divided the tank in half, just like karma279 advised. And I think it's working well.

Here some pictures of the tank now:
(the water bowls aren't there yet, but soon)

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...ium1_thumb.jpg https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...ium2_thumb.jpg https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...ium3_thumb.jpg https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...ium4_thumb.jpg

And, as a supplement, some pics of Nelson :) :
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...hon1_thumb.jpg https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...hon2_thumb.jpg https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...hon3_thumb.jpg

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It does look great! I've never seen a tank like that, it's very chique. lol, great set up.

I can't tell very well from the pics, but just keep in mind to offer many hiding spots, and some fake leaf cover between the hides to promote thermoregulation for the bp's. They will be more likely to move around if they feel like they can sneak through without being seen. :gj:

Also, keep in mind, as they grow, they will need more floor space (it looks like there isn't much floor space now, but a lot of height). At some point in time it would be a good idea to purchase short but long and wide cages for them. BP's don't climb very well, and will use floor space over height. ;)

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Thanks Funky#2 !
I kept the 55gal tank, but instead of giving my brother one of my BPs, I just divided the tank in half, just like karma279 advised. And I think it's working well.

Here some pictures of the tank now:
(the water bowls aren't there yet, but soon)

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...ium1_thumb.jpg https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...ium2_thumb.jpg https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...ium3_thumb.jpg https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...ium4_thumb.jpg

And, as a supplement, some pics of Nelson :) :
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...hon1_thumb.jpg https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...hon2_thumb.jpg https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...hon3_thumb.jpg

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Awesome job, it looks really good!

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We're not being anal.. my yearling ball python wouldn't eat for almost 4 months because he was in a 20 gallon. I cluttered it as much as humanly possible and it didn't matter.
He ate as SOON as he got into the properly sized tub.

Anyhow. Damien, that's probably solved your problem. The divider in the middle should make the individual cages ok for them, and that way, if one gets sick you know which one! :]

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That's why I offered him a working solution to the tank he had.
He took the advice and has a nice looking enclosure that will work for both snakes.
He did a good job; looks cool.

Looks like a really nice setup. Good job :gj:

Thanks !

After all your advices, and everything I read on this forum, I've done some work, and this is how it looks:

- 4 thermometers (2 cold sides, 2 hot sides)
- 1 thermostat (for the UTHs)
- three sides and top covered with black boards
- identical hides for the two of them, identical decoration and accessories
- temp on the cool side: ~82
- temp on the hot side: ~90
- humidity ~70 %
- night black light
- day neon tube light (because now it's very dark without light)

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...v2_1_thumb.jpg https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...v2_2_thumb.jpg https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...v2_3_thumb.jpg https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...v2_4_thumb.jpg

Do you think it's good for pythons?
Any advice of recommandation ?

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Thanks !

After all your advices, and everything I read on this forum, I've done some work, and this is how it looks:

- 4 thermometers (2 cold sides, 2 hot sides)
- 1 thermostat (for the UTHs)
- three sides and top covered with black boards
- identical hides for the two of them, identical decoration and accessories
- temp on the cool side: ~82
- temp on the hot side: ~90
- humidity ~70 %
- night black light
- day neon tube light (because now it's very dark without light)

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...v2_1_thumb.jpg https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...v2_2_thumb.jpg https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...v2_3_thumb.jpg https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...v2_4_thumb.jpg

Do you think it's good for pythons?
Any advice of recommandation ?

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Perfect in a typical world.... anything negative you hear to your setup; disregard it.
Couldn't ask for more. I don't keep it as good.... and my guys/gals are very happy.

I think it looks awesome!!!! :banana:

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Originally Posted by DamienF

Thanks !

After all your advices, and everything I read on this forum, I've done some work, and this is how it looks:

- 4 thermometers (2 cold sides, 2 hot sides)
- 1 thermostat (for the UTHs)
- three sides and top covered with black boards
- identical hides for the two of them, identical decoration and accessories
- temp on the cool side: ~82
- temp on the hot side: ~90
- humidity ~70 %
- night black light
- day neon tube light (because now it's very dark without light)

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...v2_1_thumb.jpg https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...v2_2_thumb.jpg https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...v2_3_thumb.jpg https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...v2_4_thumb.jpg

Do you think it's good for pythons?
Any advice of recommandation ?

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It looks very nice. The only thing I can think of is the hides out of cardboard. If they get wet or soiled they will have to be replaced, but if your ok with that, I'm ok with that. :]

Very pretty set-up. I wish I could make something look that nice! I hope your still happy with it, as it may not look as nice as it did before, but you showed a lot of responsibility to put in all the work, money, and effort to change it for your animals!

Wow you are really good at making setups lol. Once you got the right info you did an awesome job! I wish I could make a viv that cool!