Saggers laws...uhmmm what?!?!?!

http://www.newsweek.com/id/146803



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LOL, ahh yes. Good ol' Flint. I'm not surprised about this. Let's take more police and fireman off the streets, ignore the rising violence and gang issues... Go after those scoundrels that wear their pants below their waist. Good job Flint!! :gj:

So, hip-hugger and low-ride jeans are okay for women... but a guy who 'sags' his baggy urban jeans is breaking the law? Perhaps this law was worded to apply equally between the sexes, but I highly doubt (and call me a sceptic) that many women are going to be taken to task for wearing paths off the hip.

I agree that pants pulled down to the knees and underwear so low you can see pubic hair is a little extreme (perhaps even straddling the line of indecent exposure), but the artist renditions of what would be considered 'illegal' do not depict that level of 'sagging.'

It will be interesting to see if the first people charged with this new 'offence' will challenge the law. They just may have a case.

In Britain the government recently tried to take on 'hoodies' - because they apparently contributed to delinquent behaviour.

Next it will be bangles and hoop earrings forcing young girls to rob banks.

Oh the humanity!

I just love the contrast between the northeast and the midwest. There are towns near me where it is legal to be naked in public (even on Main Street) and people do it all the time! No one even pays any attention to them anymore.

Wow, I'm not going to Flint without my belt tightened. Not like I had a desire to go there anyway!....

I have no doubt that the "young boyz" that wear them are seen by the police as people that are likely to be in possession of illegal drugs and weapons and this law gives the police a valid reason to approach them and bust them for a bigger charge without being accused of harassment or making an illegal search. The ACLU is contesting this law.

What police? There's police in Flint? :8:

We, in this country have no idea what is important anymore! This is just stupid!

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Originally Posted by dsirkle

I have no doubt that the "young boyz" that wear them are seen by the police as people that are likely to be in possession of illegal drugs and weapons and this law gives the police a valid reason to approach them and bust them for a bigger charge without being accused of harassment or making an illegal search. The ACLU is contesting this law.

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profiling.

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Originally Posted by Reediculous

We, in this country have no idea what is important anymore! This is just stupid!

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yea...Nipras...tell em!

We saggers have rights too!!!

ok well I don't wear my pants like that but I really don't see the problem with it. I first heard of this on the radio this morning and was really :rofl: . The one dude said he's not a sagger cause it keeps his money too far from his hands. :giggle:

Well, butt crack does kill . . . wait . . . maybe it's just crack kills! :weirdface Just kidding.

You'd think they would have bigger issues.

They were trying to pass the same law in one of the Atlanta metro areas, but I'm not sure if it passed or not. :weirdface

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Originally Posted by MeMe

profiling.

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Just wanted to say...

Just the reply like that... it gave the impression that profiling is a bad thing. Yes, sometimes profiling can be detrimental, but profiling itself is based on past occurances to create the profile that would be most likely to act a certain way, or other such activities. This is largely based on history, whether that be data collected or personal experiences.

Racial profiling is a profile standard or assumption made based largly on their ethnicity or race.

No one here can say they don't profile someone when they look at a stranger. It's human nature, we all do it. Everyone profiles. They may base it on dress, mannerisms, tone of voice, body language and even their race. We make our first impression of someone through that process.

That girl at the club who is wearing a piece of cloth in the front and a miniskirt while she grinds with 5 guys around her.

The weird stuttering guy at the drive thru that looks just a second too long at you while he hands you your change.

The hot bodied college guy wearing some fresh hollister, to die for cologne, and that very flirty and charming smile...

We all profile. Profiling is not such a bad thing...


Okay... off soap box.

:salute: God Bless America

That's all I have to say about that...

3 to 12 months for showing your boxers! Wow! What about the girls who's thongs show when they bend over? No punishment for that? I'd say that's a little closer to indecent exposure than showing boxers, but that's just me.

As to the suspicion that Flint is using this as an excuse to legally search saggers because they all apparently have drugs and weapons, I think that probably is the whole point of the 'law.'

Interesting little fact that most profilers aren't aware of... A very large percentage of shoplifters are NOT 'gangbangers' or 'teenyboppers'..... They're white, middle-age, middle-class women doing it for the thrill. So maybe if department store personnel weren't so busy following the 'suspicious' looking people around the store, they might realize this. They follow the kids around the stores not realizing that 75% of shoplifters are adults...

Haha that's good Flint Nasty for ya!

I agree with you Connie.

It is necessary to profile (pre-judge)..to a degree.

this law however..is far past that.

I do not believe that just because a group of kids are wearing their pants below their butts that they are drug dealers or that they are into any kind of crime.

I would think that if they had researched it enough to see what area had the most crime and then how many of them were saggers and blah blah blah..it would make much more sence. But to just say all people who are saggers should be punished because it gives the "impression" that they are suspect is just rediculous.

Sagging became popular in the late 80's. The chicks and dudes all did it. Jermaine Dupri was one of the first people to do it in the mainsteam and it caught on. It is just a fashion statement.

that saggy style came from the inmates not being allowed to wear a belt......real good role models.

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Originally Posted by MeMe

this law however..is far past that.

I do not believe that just because a group of kids are wearing their pants below their butts that they are drug dealers or that they are into any kind of crime.

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That's true, but I don't actually believe the basis for this law was to weed out "potential" criminals... I think the guy just has a hair up his butt cuz he doesn't like how someone dresses.

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A very large percentage of shoplifters are NOT 'gangbangers' or 'teenyboppers'..... They're white, middle-age, middle-class women doing it for the thrill.

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That's VERY true, I can't tell you how many times we would see middle aged white woman stealing from Bed bath and Beyond. It's even funnier when they know we knew, and try to approach us for questions or help to perhaps throw us off the trail.

Eventually, they drop the goods off somewhere and leave in a hurry.

What's even more impressive is the people that load CARTS full of goods and push them right out the door. :/ Yup.

your right Ninjas...but how many kids are looking at inmates and saying..I wanna be like that dude. As opposed to them seeing Snoop ( ;) ) or whoever with their pants like that and saying..I wanna be like that!

It's whatevras fo me.

I just don't see the big deal. :rolleyes:


It also really bothers me because I heard the other day that this lady whose husband is serving our country in Iraq...had his identity stolen. The lady has all the proof in the world that she needs for them to nail the dude but because he is an illegal immigrant there is just 'so much more to it'...as they say. I dunno but their real excuse is that they do not have the manpower to handle these situations...there is far too much more "serious" crime to worry about.

Saggers?!?!?!

I mean...fo rill.

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shoot... My butt's hanging out right now...

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

shoot... My butt's hanging out right now...

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that's hot.

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Originally Posted by MeMe

ok well I don't wear my pants like that :

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You sure you have no whale tails hanging out? :rofl::rofl:

The thing is around here if you are "sagging" there is about a 90% chance that you are involved with some illegal activity. I understand why they would make that law coming from the perspective of someone much older and or someone with strict traditional values (not me whatsoever).

I do think though that before people start making laws there better be years upon years of statistic's proving that every person with saggy pants is a possible criminal.

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

That girl at the club who is wearing a piece of cloth in the front and a miniskirt while she grinds with 5 guys around her.

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Oh that girl! i know her! :D

The article said they aren't worried about the ones who let their boxer elastic show. I've always sagged my pants to a degree for comfort, but I've seen plenty of dudes with pants all the way off their ass walking around. I had one guy stand in front of my house while my little brothers and I were out front throwing a ball around, and his pants were sagging around his lower thighs, while wearing tighty greenies. I think there's a line between sagging and indecent exposure and some of these idiots need to pull their flipping pants up. On the other hand, what a waste of police' energy.

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Originally Posted by MeMe

I agree with you Connie.

It is necessary to profile (pre-judge)..to a degree.

this law however..is far past that.

I do not believe that just because a group of kids are wearing their pants below their butts that they are drug dealers or that they are into any kind of crime.

I would think that if they had researched it enough to see what area had the most crime and then how many of them were saggers and blah blah blah..it would make much more sence. But to just say all people who are saggers should be punished because it gives the "impression" that they are suspect is just reediculous.

Sagging became popular in the late 80's. The chicks and dudes all did it. Jermaine Dupri was one of the first people to do it in the mainsteam and it caught on. It is just a fashion statement.

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then TLC Rip left eye!

i fixed your reediculous! nipras! :D

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Originally Posted by mr86mister

The thing is around here if you are "sagging" there is about a 90% chance that you are involved with some illegal activity.

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Do you have some kind of statistics to back this up or is it just a guess?

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Originally Posted by python.princess

Do you have some kind of statistics to back this up or is it just a guess?

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there's sagging....then there's Sagging! it is getting Reediculous...but jail time is insane.....maybe a 25 dollar fine for below the cheeks.....mid cheek should be ok! mid cheek is comfortable for around the house! below the cheeks at the ice cream store with no shirt on is too much!

Oh yeah... while were at it.....stop sagging shorts that already look like capris....thats not cool at all! and your white tee should not have pit stains...step your game up! and the yankees colors are not pink or yellow, or tri colored thats wack too! and my last comment on this topic

Boys......should not wear girl jeans! no matter what...skater or no skater!


Just stop!


Goodnight! I win! and i'm cool! and annoying all at once! :D

Tyree.... I don't even know what to say to that.... you rock! haha!

First of all...Tyree-re.

lol @ fixing my word.


ok ok ok ok ....ok so how come there is a fine for sagging and possibly jailtime...but yet chicks can walk around with their thongs hanging out of their LOW...rider jeans.

Oh oh oh oh ...or this...I wear LOW cut shirts alot. I like them. If you don't so what...anyways. Why is it ok for me to walk around with my boobs somewhat exposed?

It is seems like the same thing to me...well not technically..but you know what I mean.

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Originally Posted by MeMe

First of all...Tyree-re.

lol @ fixing my word.


ok ok ok ok ....ok so how come there is a fine for sagging and possibly jailtime...but yet chicks can walk around with their thongs hanging out of their LOW...rider jeans.

Oh oh oh oh ...or this...I wear LOW cut shirts alot. I like them. If you don't so what...anyways. Why is it ok for me to walk around with my boobs somewhat exposed?

It is seems like the same thing to me...well not technically..but you know what I mean.

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thats different memes!

you never see women with there pants below there cheeks! just hip huggers! and thongs have a mind of thier own....i love it when women bend down in the supermarket or riteaid and they try to cover the thong with thier left hand as then bend down! hahahaah! that doesn't help!


disclaimer! just an observation i by no means stare at random women! :D

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Tyree.... I don't even know what to say to that.... you rock! haha!

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you agree huh? nice :gj:

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Originally Posted by MeMe

First of all...Tyree-re.

lol @ fixing my word.


ok ok ok ok ....ok so how come there is a fine for sagging and possibly jailtime...but yet chicks can walk around with their thongs hanging out of their LOW...rider jeans.

Oh oh oh oh ...or this...I wear LOW cut shirts alot. I like them. If you don't so what...anyways. Why is it ok for me to walk around with my boobs somewhat exposed?

It is seems like the same thing to me...well not technically..but you know what I mean.

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For the same reasons I can't walk around showing testicleavage... NOBODY wants to see that. Cleavage and whale tails aren't usually offensive. Acceptable double standards. :D

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Originally Posted by Reediculous

thats different memes!

you never see women with there pants below there cheeks! just hip huggers! and thongs have a mind of thier own....i love it when women bend down in the supermarket or riteaid and they try to cover the thong with thier left hand as then bend down! hahahaah! that doesn't help!


disclaimer! just an observation i by no means stare at random women! :D

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pig.

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Originally Posted by PythonWallace

For the same reasons I can't walk around showing testicleavage... NOBODY wants to see that. Cleavage and whale tails aren't usually offensive. Acceptable double standards. :D

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I think they are offensive.

just the thong issue. cleavage is whatever.

I like butts so maybe that is why I feel so strong about this. lol...I say show me the booty.

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Originally Posted by PythonWallace

For the same reasons I can't walk around showing testicleavage... NOBODY wants to see that. Cleavage and whale tails aren't usually offensive. Acceptable double standards. :D

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:O:O now that is funny......

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pig.

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Oink! it's not my fault! i have to be aware of my surroundings!