Pastels...

So I finely got my pastel in today (slight mix up in addresses) and his paper work said that he is a NERD line Lemon Pastel. This being my first morph and the first morph I have ever seen out side of photos, some questions came to mind...

What are the differences between the pastels besides the Breeders or "lines"?
I.E. Lemon Pastel, Blonde Pastel, Pastel Jungle, Yellow Jackets, Sunburst Pastels, and standard Pastels?

I looked through alot of photos before desideing to post my question here and it seems that most pastels besides the Yellow Jacket and the Sunburst look alike. The Yellow Jacket being much more yellow and the sunburst as babies seem to look like they were painted with neon colors of orange, pink and yellow.

2nd question,

The Sulfer Pastel, what really is it?

I have heard that is color morph, and i have also heard that it is a crossing of 2 moprhs.
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that is all I really have for now. I might have more questions later depending on the answers I get.

A sulfur pastel is a pastel crossed with a sulfur ball python. I believe they have one on EBN (exotics by nature) in their collection section.

It's a pretty stunning pastel though to say the least. They have alot of orange blushing with a ton of yellow. Pretty amazing if you ask me.

NERD lemon pastels ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Congrats on your new snake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NERD (New England Reptile Distributors) is run by 2 amazing people: Kevin and Kara. They created the lemon pastel, with its bright yellow and deep black and the ability to hang on to these colors even into their adulthood (lots of pastels sort of fade to brown...) Lemons make the BEST bumblebees!!!!!!!!!!!
So, you have a NERD snake and that means that you have a healthy and excellent quality snake!!!
WoooHooooooooooooooooooo:D:D:D:D:D:D
Enjoy!!!!

Not to rain on the party... but I have noticed people breed their "nerd line" pastel to anything and everything because of the "name" so to speak. Some of the ugliest pastels I have seen have had the name "nerd line" pastel like they're trying to make a point.

I base each pastel on how they look and on the 'name' last. I really believe selective breeding takes a toll on how pastels look.

In my opinion, a pastel is a pastel. They are all compatible. Go with the best looking one, regardless of the line. Hope this helps. BTW, post some pics!! :cool:

the blood line is just who produced it. In the dog world, you go with reputable bloodlines so you know you're getting a proven animal. However, when other ppl get their hands on an animal from that particular bloodline and then do their own breeding, the blood can get "tainted" if you will.

Just go on the best animal, and work from there.

thanks every one. I will have to say he is very very yellow and orange. The guy who had him bred a nerd female with a nerd male, my male is from that breeding. I dont know if he is a good looking male or not.(I really like him) He is how ever very junky with all the black markings. He has some nice blushing, white belly, and a ton of flames. (they look like flames but I dont know what they are called on pastels.) I'll try and take some photos as soon as I can. I'm moving into our new house today and I have to wait untill friday for my computer to get here. so maybe saterday I'll have some pictures.

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Originally Posted by elusivereptiles

A sulfur pastel is a pastel crossed with a sulfur ball python. I believe they have one on EBN (exotics by nature) in their collection section.

It's a pretty stunning pastel though to say the least. They have alot of orange blushing with a ton of yellow. Pretty amazing if you ask me.

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You are correct. Sean does have a pair, and there is one on his collection page. The Sulpher Pastel is a cross between a Pastel and a Sulpher. I tried to do the cross this year, but my Pastel female did not cooperate. It is a very amazing looking animal, and definitely a worthehile cross.

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Originally Posted by Jae iLL

However, when other ppl get their hands on an animal from that particular bloodline and then do their own breeding, the blood can get "tainted" if you will.

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Does anyone have an example of this happening?

JonV

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

Not to rain on the party... but I have noticed people breed their "nerd line" pastel to anything and everything because of the "name" so to speak. Some of the ugliest pastels I have seen have had the name "nerd line" pastel like they're trying to make a point.

I base each pastel on how they look and on the 'name' last. I really believe selective breeding takes a toll on how pastels look.

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Well, that's rather misleading.... :weirdface

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

In my opinion, a pastel is a pastel. They are all compatible. Go with the best looking one, regardless of the line. Hope this helps. BTW, post some pics!! :cool:

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I'm thinking that you might not have seen enough pastels. In my opinion, all pastels are not created equal, even though they are all breeding compatible.

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Originally Posted by nevohraalnavnoj

Does anyone have an example of this happening?

JonV

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What? Do you mean if I were to cross my NERD lemon who I purchased from NERD with my TSK pastel who I purchased from TSK? I'm sure it happens all the time... matter of course.

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Originally Posted by starmom

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Well, that's rather misleading.... :weirdface

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You have no idea. Was walking past a table last fall, where there was a sticker in big bold lettering NERD LINE LEMON PASTEL!

It was seriously, the UGLIEST pastel I have ever seen. It looked like a normal. Not what a lemon is supposed to look like at all :rage:

The name means nothing to me... A pastel could be super bright and be called the poop pastel and Id still take it over some NERD pastels. Alot of people put the name of the line hoping it will help them sell the snake easier... Ill admit that there are differences between the different lines(obv or else theyd all be the same) but just bc your buying a NERD or Graziani pastel doesnt mean your getting top quality.

I have a preference for Nerd Lemon pastels, but it has to be a good "example" of the line. In the end I've seen amazing and ugly examples of all the lines; leads me to believe that selective breeding is more important than the genetics of the line itself. Be a smart buyer, know your breeder, and pick an animal that calls to you.

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Originally Posted by JoshJP7

The name means nothing to me... A pastel could be super bright and be called the poop pastel and Id still take it over some NERD pastels. Alot of people put the name of the line hoping it will help them sell the snake easier... Ill admit that there are differences between the different lines(obv or else theyd all be the same) but just bc your buying a NERD or Graziani pastel doesnt mean your getting top quality.

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I agree with a caveat: When I buy a NERD lemon pastel from NERD I am TOTALLY certain that I am purchasing a top quality lemon pastel to the extent that my dollars and their stock will allow.

Also, when I purchase from NERD, TSK, VPI (to name a few) I am TOTALLY certain that I am getting top quality given that these are top quality breeders. Top quality infers looks, health, feeding response, etc.

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

It was seriously, the UGLIEST pastel I have ever seen. It looked like a normal. Not what a lemon is supposed to look like at all :rage:

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I agree, buy what animal you like and what fits in your plans.

When I got my pastel, it was based entirely on his phenotype and what he looked like.

Later I asked... about 4 months after getting the snake, as to the origin and where the stock had come from. It was a good line, and there was a very clear delineation regarding what generation mine was, etc. But that never impacted my decision, it was based on this snake being, IMHO, a perfect example of what I found appealing in a pastel.

I see lots of people that slap the name on the snake and hope for the best. I quizzed a guy at a show that had done that. His response. `well i made this snake, with my male that i got from so and so... he got his stock from so and so, who claims it was a *insert brand name here*...` to me that is too many cooks hanging over the stew.

bruce

I dont see how you can say that just because its coming from NERD or the other its "top quality"... Ive seen plenty of snakes on these top peoples websites that are far from top quality looks wise. Just because it ate at NERD's facility doesnt mean its going to eat when it gets to your house... On reptile radio a couple weeks ago a top breeder(i think it was prehistoric pets) said they moved a snake from the snake warehouse to his sons bedroom and the snake wouldnt eat... The only thing I feel you get "for sure" when buying from the big guys is a snake that is healthy and you'll actually get the animal you paid for. With that said theres no reason a small guy can't provide you with the exact same thing even if theirs isnt labled "NERD PASTEL." I know I bought my pastel from someone who I've never heard of before and she looks much better than many of the pastels for sale on some of these top peoples websites.

I can say it because it is true ;)

Alot of codoms have been bred to normal females and that can affect the look and quality of the morph. I have seen a single clutch of pastels with the alot of variation with the obvoius hotty right next to a dog. So there are alot of factors.

I pick the quality of the animal first and line is more of a reference. I have 6 different lines of pastel so its not like one dominates in my book.

I have a beautiful TSK pastel and a gorgeous NERD lemon pastel and an 8Ball that hasn't come into her color yet. I think that having a NERD lemon will zap any other pastel with a brightness that can't compare.
However, I was asked how I could say that snakes coming from NERD were top quality. I think that NERD's quality speaks for itself :D

I know that this pastel is not the best. he has some browning on the first 5th of his body but then the colors go to bright oranges, yellows and crisp whites. All i can really say is that it is hard for me to leave him alone for the first 2 weeks. I have never seen anything like him befor in my life, and now i really know that the pastel is by far my 2nd favorite morph. (pied first) Next year I'm planning on getting a spider.

The thing to remember is that each original producer of the animals line bred in order to enhance traits that they found pleasing. Some did this for flames and blushing, while others did it to bring on a very yellow and black contrast with very little blushing. To me when someone say that they produce NERD line pastels I expect that animal to be produced directly by NERD or by an animal directly produced by NERD and exhibit the traits that NERD strives to reproduce. The same goes for any "line" bred animal. Otherwise in is just a Lemon pastel, Blonde, Jungle or what have you. I think once you get more than one generation way from the original producing line then people should drop the "Line" name and just call the Lemons, Jungles, Blonde's.

But thats just my two cents.

LOL... Where can I get a "Poop Pastel" I want one!!!

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

The thing to remember is that each original producer of the animals line bred in order to enhance traits that they found pleasing. Some did this for flames and blushing, while others did it to bring on a very yellow and black contrast with very little blushing. To me when someone say that they produce NERD line pastels I expect that animal to be produced directly by NERD or by an animal directly produced by NERD and exhibit the traits that NERD strives to reproduce. The same goes for any "line" bred animal. Otherwise in is just a Lemon pastel, Blonde, Jungle or what have you. I think once you get more than one generation way from the original producing line then people should drop the "Line" name and just call the Lemons, Jungles, Blonde's.

But thats just my two cents.

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I agree totally.

trouble is, that orange markings on juvies sometimes brown out..